|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 64 (9163 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,419 Year: 3,676/9,624 Month: 547/974 Week: 160/276 Day: 34/23 Hour: 1/3 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
|
Author | Topic: The 2016 United States Presidential Election | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
|
Hi Theo,
I haven't been on the forum much lately. Just wondering if you will respond to my last post, Message 987, before the election:
Theo writes: Hillary Clinton is not a great choice, but she is a good choice. She can be the instrument of a lot of good change for the people of the United States and people around the world. We are encouraged to support our positions on this forum via evidence. So, while Hillary was Secretary of State, was there any actual evidence of her being an instrument of goodness? As Secretary of State for FOUR years, what good did Hillary accomplish for the people around the world? Be specific. To help get you started, I'll start you off with examples from these nations: 1. Iraq. Only a few other Democrats were criminal and sociopathic enough to ENTHUSIASTICALLY support Bush Jr in his illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. A million innocent Iraqi deaths. 4500 american military deaths. Creation of ISIL. (The secular regime overthrown by [Hillary supported] U.S. forces was replaced by Islamist fundamentalists, and the ensuing sectarian civil war has produced horrific cases of sexual violence including not least the enslavement of women by extremist groups like the Islamic State.) Zcomm » Page not found 2. Lebanon (Clinton also backed Israel’s massive 2006 assault on Lebanon, as well as the 2009 and 2014 wars on the Gaza Strip, which killed many hundreds of female non-combatants.) Zcomm » Page not found 3. Honduras ({Hillary} supported the coup in Honduras, which resulted in a dramatic upsurge in violence against women, with prominent female peasant leaders, union organizers, and indigenous rights advocates among the victims) Your access to this site has been limited 4. Saudi Arabia (She’s called for closer strategic ties with Saudi Arabia, the most misogynist government on the planet.) Your access to this site has been limited by the site owner I ask again, while Hillary takes bribes/donations from Saudi Arabia for military weaponry, how many woman have been falsely executed by beheading? 5. Bahrain. (She supported Bahrain’s brutal crackdown on its pro-democracy movement, including prominent women leaders.) Your access to this site has been limited by the site owner 6. Yeman. (Yemeni human rights activist Tawakkol Karman, who was awarded the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize for her leadership in the country’s pro-democracy movement, has spoken out against then-Secretary Clinton’s lack of support in the struggle against the U.S.-backed autocratic regime of Ali Abdullah Saleh) Your access to this site has been limited by the site owner 7. Morocco. (A particularly egregious case of Hillary Clinton’s selective support for the rights of women is her strong support for the autocratic monarchy in Morocco. For example, in 2012 during the height of a local campaign to repeal an article of the Moroccan penal code that absolves a male rapist if he consents to marry his victim Clinton praised the Moroccan government for having protected and expanded women’s rights. Just weeks after Clinton commended the regime, Amina Filali a 16-year old Moroccan girl who’d been raped at the age of 15 and forced to marry her rapist, who subsequently battered and abused her burned herself to death.) Your access to this site has been limited by the site owner 8. Afghanistan. Yeah, life for EVERYbody in Afghanistan improved dramatically under Secretary of State Clinton. 9. Libya. Supported the defeat and death of Gadaffi. Chaos and spreading terrorism ruled afterwards. Later, Hillary chuckled, and chuckled, and chuckled, about the gruesome death of Gaddafi. 10. Syria. Supports the defeat of Bashar al-Assad, with the likely result of chaos and spreading terrorism ruled afterwards (See Libya above) 11. Israel/Gaza/Palestine. Hillary actually defended, DEFENDED, Israel murdering the peace flotilla from Turkey. 12. Egypt. Supported/defended dictator Mubarek until he was on the verge of being deposed. 13. United States military personal with ultra high suicide rates and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Edited by dronestar, : added: "Later, Hillary chuckled, and chuckled, and chuckled, about the gruesome death of Gaddafi."
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
quote: With regard to the text above, I compiled a very edited summary. What do you think of this?: Saudi Arabia, an oppressive, theocratic monarchy, is a barbaric human rights horror show. A major exporter of world terrorism, have we forgotten that most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis? According to WikiLeaks, in 2009, then U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote, Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban and other terrorist groups. Ongoing Saudi air strikes in Yemen have killed thousands of innocent civilians. There have been hundreds of documented criminal attacks on hospitals. The United Nations concluded that the Saudis, with U.S. military assistance, had committed grave violations. The International Criminal Court Statute states that an individual can be convicted of war crimes if one aids or otherwise assists in the commission of the crime. The Leahy Law prohibits the United States from providing military assistance to nations that violate human rights. So how does the United States violate its own laws by offering to sell military weapons — over $115 billion worth since 2009 — to Saudi Arabia? Partly because, in 2009, the Saudis contributed $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. In 2011, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton oversaw a $29 billion sale of advanced fighter jets to the Saudis, a top priority for Clinton. Before the deal was clinched, Boeing, manufacturer of one of the fighter jets the Saudis sought, contributed $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation. Edited by dronestar, : expanded clarity "U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton"
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
This erroneous image is what a Hillary Presidency looks like from an Iraqi viewpoint. But truthfully, in actuality, you would have to first multiply the innocent victims by about 200,000:
IMHO, a human being with intelligence or any humanity whatsoever could never vote for Trump or Hillary.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
Here's an interesting tidbit, "collateral damage" is a term that can also mean "DEAD CHILDREN."
Really! However, the term "collateral damage" usually seems to be used when amerikan forces murder dark-skinned Middle Eastern peoples. For some reason, I can imagine we amerikans will hear that term an awful lot in the next four years.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
Except for the huge number of folks who don't. There is also some deliberate deck stacking. In North Carolina, gun permits count as voter IDs, but student IDs even from the state universities do not. Pretty clear example of targeting some folks for voting right extinction. Very seldom are the ID laws just about ID. In North Carolina the changes involved curtailing early voting, eliminating registration of high school students at their schools, cancelling voter locations on college campuses, etc. Exactly, I've posted this on Facebook several times:
quote: Presidential decree? My question was about whether Congress had the authority, to establish a national ID card that the states were bound to respect at election time. It is unclear that they have the power to do such a thing. But it is certainly clear that the president does not have such power. We need to find a way to effect voter rights. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Nope
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
|
You should have provided your link just once instead of seven times, because now you'll have to fix it in seven places. You evidently cut-n-pasted the abbreviated link text from your old message, instead of the link itself. The correct link: On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy
When you first posted that Hillary Clinton's opponent was Bernier Sanders, a credible potential President, but now it's Donald Trump, who has no experience at statecraft and is temperamentally unfit for office. We know what Trump would be like as President because we've already seen it on the campaign trail. --Percy
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
|
Percy writes: We know what Trump would be like as President because we've already seen it on the campaign trail. And also in business dealings and on reality TV and on Twitter and ... Trump is simply a joke and not even a funny joke.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
People talk about how the GOP made the monster with their relentless Faux Noise etc, creating the base that he appeals to.
But American Capitalism made Trump what he is: the personification of it - make money by whatever means works, and screw the losers. This is also part of his appeal. The bankruptcies don't matter because he made money and losers lost money. That's how unfettered capitalism works. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
|
Capitalism is a strong plank in the American ideal, but the exploitative, abusive, form that today characterizes American Capitalism was dealt a stinging rebuke at the turn of the prior century. Its resurrection in today's form is a recent GOP creation with the rise of Ronald Reagan.
But that is not all there is to the GOP. The other planks to the GOP base are the racist, misogynist, homophobic, anti-American ideals that rose to prominence with the abusive religious right within the GOP. The same America that made Bernie Sanders made Donald Trump. The difference is that the GOP base made a welcoming home for the exploitative, racist, misogynist, homophobic, anti-American Donald Trump. So, yes, the GOP found and adopted this monster made in their own image. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
If you can't get people to vote for you, try keeping those people from voting, and when registration restrictions aren't good enough, try a little intimidation ...
quote: quote: The GOP has been talking about this for years, through talking heads and other right wing "sources" of misinformation. Once again we see Trump playing to the base that believes the propaganda. Intimidation is election fraud. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) |
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
|
AZPaul3 writes:
And Bernie Sanders made a welcoming home for all the pseudo-lefties who are too holier-than-thou to vote for Hillary Clinton.
The same America that made Bernie Sanders made Donald Trump. The difference is that the GOP base made a welcoming home for the exploitative, racist, misogynist, homophobic, anti-American Donald Trump.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ramoss Member (Idle past 633 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
|
Acually, HIllary is that much better. While not what I would consider the best choice, she is competent. The right wing has been lying about her since 1992. People remember the accusation, but can't remember when the investigation turns up no evidence to support the accusation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ramoss writes: Acually, HIllary is that much better. While not what I would consider the best choice, she is competent. Exactly. Probably not many people's first choice, but she sure beats the alternative. --Percy
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ramoss Member (Idle past 633 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
SHe was about my third or 4th choice. She beat any of the republican alternatives that actually attempted to run this year. And, except for one, all of those were infinitely preferable to the cheeto that eventually got the nomination.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024