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Author Topic:   The evolution of the Great Commission over time.
jar
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Message 38 of 49 (742733)
11-23-2014 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Phat
11-23-2014 2:27 PM


Re: Topic Phat
What does any of that have to do with the evolution of the Great Commission over time in the Bible or is that back to "what about Phat?"

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 42 of 49 (747607)
01-17-2015 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Phat
01-17-2015 8:05 AM


Re: Franchising Rights
Phat writes:
The issue is interpretation of the Great Commission. Paul states plainly that simply doing for others is a form of establishing ones own righteousness. He is challenging the original religion. You seem to prefer to keep it.
UH...chapter and verse Phat, chapter and verse.
And that is not the issue at all. The issue in this topic is that the Great Commission evolve over time and the changes simply added perks for following it.
Phat writes:
Are you suggesting that Matthew had the original intent correct while Luke and John expanded the teaching into myth? Or are you suggesting that all of it is myth?
No, I am not talking about whether anything is myth, I am talking about conscious marketing advertising; about selling the sizzle not the steak.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 45 of 49 (747614)
01-17-2015 10:48 AM
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01-17-2015 10:25 AM


Re: Who Is The Boss?
You need to stop quote mining Phat; stop listening to anyone that feeds you a "proof text". Read ALL of Romans Phat and don't just pull out what you think supports your position but ignore the rest.
Does Paul go one to talk about those who came before Jesus?
Does Paul go on to talk about those who have never even heard of Jesus?
And what the hell does any of that have to do with the topic which is how the Great Commission evolved over time?
Phat writes:
What makes you convinced that the original had more truth than the latter additions/modifications? Is it because you want to believe it?
LOL Strawman Phat?
No where do I say that any of them have any truth. What I says and have said and it seems true based on what YOU have said is that marketing the original version was a very hard sell and so benefits and woo (sell the sizzle) were added to make it easier to sell.
How many times have you told me "Why worship a God that does nothing for me?"

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 47 of 49 (793714)
11-04-2016 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
11-04-2016 5:52 PM


Re: Marketing Presure or Progressive Revelation?
Phat writes:
I would argue that Jesus intent is imperative to this topic. I maintain that each of us...through prayer...with respect to logic, reason, and reality....attempt to understand Jesus intent in regards to this topic.
Of course Jesus intent is irrelevant since what is being discussed in what was reported and published.
Phat writes:
The question may be put this way:
Was marketing pressure the cause of the evolution of the Great Commission over time or was progressive revelation...through a living Christ...the real pressure and catalyst for change?
I'm sorry but once again is there any meaning in all that? Do you have any evidence that Jesus dictated each of the different accounts and so Jesus jess made stuff up and rewrote the sales material aover time?
Phat, if you want to claim the utter nonsense con of progressive revelation that's fine but don't expect think people to buy such nonsense.

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jar
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Message 49 of 49 (793722)
11-05-2016 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
11-05-2016 7:56 AM


Re: Marketing Pressure or
Phat writes:
I'm just going with Matthew...which you suggested supported your argument.
Again....Matthew 3:7-12 suggests why Jesus was born. Without Jesus, all you have is human-centric definitions of what type of charge we should have. In this regard, why should we trust jar over Paul?
First, Matthew was not written by Paul and so it is irrelevant to a discussion about what is written in Bible stories other than Matthew. It is irrelevant to what Paul wrote.
There are no other definitions than the Human centric ones. The Bible was written by humans, redacted by humans, edited by humans, the contents selected by humans, revised by humans, rewritten by humans, translated by humans ...
Phat writes:
Why should we trust ourselves (internal logic, reason, and reality) over what is written?
ALL of the evidence says there is no one else to trust. All of what you know is filtered by human logic and illogic, reasoning and unreasoning, reality and fantasy.
Phat writes:
Why should we trust what was written in one book within the Bible over what was written in another?
Well we can try to test using reason logic and reality in some cases but when it comes to the Bible in most cases that is impossible; so we should not trust either of them unless they can be tested using reason logic and reality. What we do have to do is acknowledge the differences. For example in this specific topic what is seen, is reality, is that the story changes over time and as retold and it changes from a very simply pretty straight forward story to one incorporating lots of WOO and fantastic powers and increasing benefits.
Phat writes:
Why should we accept our own marketing as sincere while accusing someone else of marketing a new religion? What makes our religion any better?
Whether something is sincere or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is factual, reasonable, logical, based in reality or fantasy. And what makes one religion better? I would say whether or not it is beneficial for the population in general, members and non-members in THIS life.
Phat writes:
And I suppose thinking people are expected to buy your con of making up our own internalized charge, ignoring GOD,(or worse yet assuming that GOD is at best an internalized belief rather than an externalized reality)
No, thinking people are expected to test both positions, look for evidence, check against reality, try to determine if there is any evidence of an externalized reality called GOD.

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