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jar
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Message 271 of 892 (793734)
11-05-2016 5:47 PM


"What's good for General Motors is good for the country"
So scenario.
Trump wins Presidency.
Democrats take back Senate.
Paul Ryan remains as Speaker of the House.
What would the next four years be like?

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Message 272 of 892 (793740)
11-05-2016 6:15 PM
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11-05-2016 5:47 PM


Re: "What's good for General Motors is good for the country"
Tense, since you got someone who will getinto a 3 am twitter war with a model over how fat she is with the nuclear codes

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Message 273 of 892 (793775)
11-05-2016 11:54 PM
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11-05-2016 5:47 PM


Re: "What's good for General Motors is good for the country"
There will be wars.

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Message 274 of 892 (793776)
11-06-2016 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Percy
11-05-2016 5:13 PM


Re: The Burning of the Democracy
Percy writes:
Probably not many people's first choice, but she sure beats the alternative.
What choice?
Other than a spoiled child in orange and gold accents? A business, moral, and intellectual failure? A thief and molester? The world's biggest all-time liar and hypocrite?
Or is it a now clueless former governor who declares ignorance is bliss?
Or is it another simple-minded doctor with simple-minded proscriptions against wi-fi and vaccines?
Or another Clinton. The most able to not fuck things up beyond repair.
Once again, left without a real choice.
Edited by anglagard, : Forgot another bunch of Trump;s attributes, sure I forgot some more

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Message 275 of 892 (793832)
11-06-2016 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by Diomedes
11-01-2016 12:59 PM


Well, I did my part
Early voting was available in my county and I just cast my ballot for Hillary. Florida is a critical swing state and I am certainly not taking any chances with the potential of President Great Pumpkin.
Tons of Trump signs in my area. Where I live is pretty affluent and we have lots of Republicans around here.
By the way, I do have to point out the irony of someone living in a million dollar house with Trump signs all over their lawn. For people who want to 'Make America Great Again', they seem to have done well for themselves.
Current polls show Hillary with a very slight lead in Florida. The one encouraging sign is that Latino early voting turnout is huge this cycle relative to others. More than double what it was in the previous election. So with luck, they will be the deciding factor and give Florida to Hillary.
By the way, is anyone besides me concerned that if Trump loses, he will not concede defeat and try to drag this out for weeks by questioning the legitimacy of the election outcome?

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Message 276 of 892 (793839)
11-06-2016 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Diomedes
11-06-2016 10:42 AM


Re: Well, I did my part
By the way, is anyone besides me concerned that if Trump loses, he will not concede defeat and try to drag this out for weeks by questioning the legitimacy of the election outcome?
I'm not concerned. I am more concerned that Trump might pull off a win than I am about his whining if he loses. Almost certainly any "dragging out" will be ineffective and short lived.

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ramoss
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Message 277 of 892 (793840)
11-06-2016 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Diomedes
11-06-2016 10:42 AM


Re: Well, I did my part
One mantra i keep on hearing is how the two candidates are so bad, there will be low turnout. It appears that Trump terrifies enough minorities that that might not be true. Of course, most of the people who have been saying that have been republicans.

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RAZD
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Message 278 of 892 (793878)
11-06-2016 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by ramoss
11-06-2016 11:51 AM


Re: Well, I did my part
One mantra i keep on hearing is how the two candidates are so bad, there will be low turnout. It appears that Trump terrifies enough minorities that that might not be true. ...
We may well see minorities deciding this race. Think about that. That will be another nail in the coffin for the GOP.
And I do think there is a significant portion of the democrat party that is less than thrilled with Hillary, so you may see some "privileged" white male democrats staying home.
And I think there will be a significant number of republicans that are less than thrilled to vote for Trump, but will be happy to vote against Hillary, just because it is Hillary.
... Of course, most of the people who have been saying that have been republicans.
Tell them that Obama is coming for their guns on Nov 8th and they need to stay home for protection.

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Percy
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Message 279 of 892 (793880)
11-06-2016 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Diomedes
11-06-2016 10:42 AM


Re: Well, I did my part
Diomedes writes:
By the way, I do have to point out the irony of someone living in a million dollar house with Trump signs all over their lawn. For people who want to 'Make America Great Again', they seem to have done well for themselves.
It doesn't take a genius, or a Democrat, to understand that the man isn't fit to lead, and many Republicans have enough sense and conscience to agree. There's a lack of thought and analysis in those houses.
I have a theory explaining Trump's Republican support: Get him elected, get him impeached and convicted (shouldn't take long for him to commit an impeachable offense), then inaugurate Mike Pence and voil, the country has a Republican president who isn't stark raving mad.
--Percy

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ramoss
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Message 280 of 892 (793882)
11-06-2016 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by RAZD
11-06-2016 3:14 PM


Re: Well, I did my part
I am not trilled with Hillary either. I think that she is a candidate that the GOP hate, and will try to obstruct like crazy. Then again, I think that is the M.O. of the current GOP leadership.. obstruct, but not lead, or give tax breaks to the 1%, and cut the safety net for the poor.

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Diomedes
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Message 281 of 892 (793888)
11-06-2016 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Percy
11-06-2016 4:45 PM


Re: Well, I did my part
I have a theory explaining Trump's Republican support: Get him elected, get him impeached and convicted (shouldn't take long for him to commit an impeachable offense), then inaugurate Mike Pence and voil, the country has a Republican president who isn't stark raving mad.
A nice theory. But my guess is that is too intricate and well thought to ever be a viable strategy from the GOP side. I think the more likely scenario is that Republicans are far too brainwashed at this stage to vote for anything other than a Republican. It's almost becoming a cult if it isn't one already.
And speaking of impeachments, so much for their plans of trying to gather impeachment steam against Hillary for her emails:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...c0-7be8f848c492_story.html
quote:
FBI Director James B. Comey said Sunday that the bureau had completed its examination of newly discovered emails connected to Hillary Clinton an inquiry that had roiled the presidential race for nine days and found nothing to alter its months-old decision not to seek charges against the former secretary of state for her use of a private email server.
Nice head fake by the head of the FBI. Almost like a Keystone Cops routine.

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Message 282 of 892 (793890)
11-06-2016 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Diomedes
11-06-2016 10:56 PM


Re: Well, I did my part
Nice head fake by the head of the FBI. Almost like a Keystone Cops routine.
I doubt that either Trump or Hillary will suffer this fool more than a couple of days after their inaugurations.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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RAZD
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Message 283 of 892 (793933)
11-07-2016 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by Percy
11-06-2016 4:45 PM


tommorrow it ends ... or doesn't
I have a theory explaining Trump's Republican support: Get him elected, get him impeached and convicted (shouldn't take long for him to commit an impeachable offense), ...
He could be convicted of fraud AND child rape before innaugeration or shortly thereafter.
... then inaugurate Mike Pence and voil, the country has a Republican president who isn't stark raving mad.
Except that Pence is stark raving delusional.
Enjoy

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Message 284 of 892 (793934)
11-07-2016 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by ramoss
11-06-2016 4:52 PM


Re: Well, I did my part
... I think that she is a candidate that the GOP hate, and will try to obstruct like crazy. ...
I think we can take that as a given. There will be no honeymoon.
Even if she wins AND the democrats retake the senate, they will likely lose it again in 2018. That gives her two years to appoint court judges (lots of federal judge vacancies, not just Supreme Court) and the senate can invoke majority votes to approve with no filibuster. And that's it.
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jar
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Message 285 of 892 (793937)
11-07-2016 8:10 AM
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11-07-2016 7:55 AM


Re: Well, I did my part
RAZD writes:
That gives her two years to appoint court judges (lots of federal judge vacancies, not just Supreme Court) and the senate can invoke majority votes to approve with no filibuster. And that's it.
Actually that would be far more than I could even hope for. There are over 100 current Federal Judgeships open plus the deciding one on the Supreme Court. Federal Judges serve for life or until they retire. Add 100 progressive Federal Judges and a deciding vote (maybe more since there may well be additional SCOTUS openings in the next four years would do more to improve the US than most anything I can imagine.

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