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Message 31 of 34 (794006)
11-08-2016 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
11-08-2016 9:52 AM


Re: Its The Purpose
Phat writes:

... many people do not love enough.


They're known as "Christians".

Phat writes:

Im just sharing my belief.


You seem to be working very hard at convincing yourself that your belief has some validity but your belief is completely disconnected from reality.
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Message 32 of 34 (794015)
11-08-2016 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
11-08-2016 9:52 AM


Re: Its The Purpose
It sound to me like you're talking to yourself.

If you're not, then you need to take a totally different approach because I for one think what you're saying is self-obsessed and delusional.

People outside your religious bubble get on just fine loving each other in whatever way suits them and don't need any permission or instruction from archaic institutions about how to live their lives. That dreadful era has passed for us, thank god.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Rrhain
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Message 33 of 34 (794074)
11-09-2016 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
11-08-2016 9:52 AM


Re: Its The Purpose
Phat responds to me:

quote:
quote:
Did you honestly just argue that atheists don't love? That Jews don't love? That two-thirds of the entire planet doesn't love?

Basically, yes. I am arguing that many people do not love enough.


The irony is strong in you, isn't it? Do you honestly not see how hateful that attitude is?

quote:
Without Jesus Christ, life itself would not occur.

So two-thirds of the planet isn't alive? Because they don't have any connection to this "Jesus Christ" object you are referring to.

What on earth makes you think you know better than they do about love? Especially to allow yourself the arrogance to say that you love "more" than they do?

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Im just sharing my belief. I can't make you agree with me nor can I make you love me or even like me.

So your belief in your "loving god" requires you to be an ass? You need to pay attention to your own holy book:

Love is patient. That means when other people are telling you about their lives, you listen to them and don't contradict them.

Love is kind. That means when other people are telling you about their lives, you don't pretend that you are in a position to judge them.

It does not envy. And yet, here you are clearly upset that other people are capable of finding joy in their lives without this "Jesus Christ" object.

It does not boast. And yet, here you are boasting about how life and love only exist because of this "Jesus Christ" object.

It is not proud. And yet, here you are crowing about you have the bestest, most lovingest love, the most lifey-est life.

It is not rude. And yet, you have the unmitigated gall to tell other people they "do not love enough."

It is not self-seeking. The irony in you is strong, isn't it?

It keeps no records of wrongs. And yet, here you are....

Love does not delight in evil. And yet, here you are, doing the very evil you claim to not delight in.

But rejoices with the truth. And yet, here you are, denying the truth of other people's lives because it doesn't fit in with your belief.

It always protects. And yet, here you are, seeking to destroy others because you cannot see their love.

Always trusts. And yet, here you are, distrusting others for having the temerity to live and love without your "Jesus Christ" object. Just as fully. Just as deeply.

Always hopes. And yet, here you are, denying others the very hope you say you wish for them.

Always preserves. And yet, here you are, destroying that which you claim to seek to keep.

I'll say it yet again:

The irony is strong in you.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Phat
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Message 34 of 34 (794088)
11-09-2016 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Rrhain
11-09-2016 1:20 PM


Re: Its The Purpose
You do have a point. My intention was not to be hateful, but it appears I am being perceived as such.

Perhaps I need to re evaluate my position.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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