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Author Topic:   The Clinton Email Controversy
Pressie
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Message 46 of 56 (793528)
11-01-2016 5:37 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Hyroglyphx
10-31-2016 9:58 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:
So you are harboring classified material on your private server(s)? Is that what you are telling me? Because it could also be true that certain South African authorities might not be aware of this... in which case, that would be the reason you haven't been charged, not that it's necessarily not that big of a deal. Food for thought.
Actually, my direct authorities are well aware of the classified information on my private server. I actually cc them every time I send classified info using my private server. They usually get those cc's a lot later, but they get it and know exactly what I do where, when and why.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 47 of 56 (793531)
11-01-2016 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Hyroglyphx
10-31-2016 9:55 PM


pawn everything off as a "vast rightwing conspiracy,"
'Cept it's in the open, isn't it. The reich-wing is openly trying to destroy Clinton because she's a democrat and because the MRAs, which make up the bulk of the reich, hate a strong powerful woman.
pass it off on "Russian hackers,"
'Cept the russian hackers are real, aren't they. Putin doesn't like a strong powerful woman who would get in his way anymore then the reich-wing MRAs do. He'd rather have a scatter-brained malleable admirer in the oval office.
She's a crook,
Really? How so? Are you prepared to contrast the real charitable work of the Clinton Foundation with the self-serving scam of the Trump foundation? Are you ready to discuss the realities of Whitewater, Vince Foster, e-mails, Benghazi, travelgate? Not just the riech-wing talking points but the facts as numerous investigations have revealed?
she's a megalomaniac
Oh, heaven help us. A megalomaniac in politics? Say it isn't so! That only makes her equal to every other politico in Washington. Boo hoo.
she will play a huge role in World War III breaking out
As I recall Ronald Reagan was supposed to walk into the Oval Office and immediately push "the button".
You scare-monger weenies are a laugh.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 48 of 56 (793539)
11-01-2016 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Hyroglyphx
10-31-2016 9:58 PM


So you are harboring classified material on your private server(s)?
But we all know that that is not in reality what Hillary Clinton was doing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 49 of 56 (793540)
11-01-2016 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Hyroglyphx
10-31-2016 9:55 PM


She's a crook, she's a megalomaniac
Alas, you have no evidence for this do you? Why do you hold her to a higher standard than you do male politicians?
and she will play a huge role in World War III breaking out if elected.
Your reasoning for this remark?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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ringo
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Message 50 of 56 (793547)
11-01-2016 11:58 AM
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10-31-2016 9:55 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:
I know it's so easy to pawn everything off as a "vast rightwing conspiracy,"
It's a bumbling, incompetent conspiracy. See NosyNed's Message 41.

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Percy
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Message 51 of 56 (793979)
11-07-2016 5:25 PM


The FBI politicized? Say it isn't so!
Has the FBI been politicized? FBI Director Comey's 10/28 letter raised strong suspicions, but today's announcement removes a great deal of doubt. According to the NYT:
quote:
On Sunday, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, sent a letter to Congress saying an analysis of the emails found on former Representative Anthony D. Weiner’s laptop did not change the bureau’s decision from the summer that Mrs. Clinton should face no charges in the investigation of her emails.
Is this to be the FBI's position on the Clinton emails, that from now until the end of time the discovery of any Clinton emails on any device is grounds for public announcements that the investigation is being reopened so that a decision can be made anew about whether to charge her? This is absurd, inflammatory, defamatory and absurd. Pleh!
--Percy

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Rrhain
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Message 52 of 56 (793989)
11-07-2016 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by RAZD
10-30-2016 8:28 AM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
RAZD writes:
quote:
But they are about how the Clinton machine shook down donors to the foundation for the enrichment of the Clintons (Bill Inc).
Huh? You do know that there is no evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind regarding the Clinton Foundation, yes?
quote:
They demonstrate character flaws similar to what we see in Trump's use of his position (such as his "charity"), he was just more blatant about it.
First, as has been pointed out, you have no idea what the emails contain.
Second, again, there is no evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind regarding the Clinton Foundation. In fact, it is one of the highest rated charity organizations in the world. Charity Watch rates it higher than the Red Cross. It gives 88% of its money on actual services and spends only $3 for every $100 raised (meaning they only spend $3 to raise $100 compared to the Red Cross which spends $30 to raise $100).
You do realize that the Clinton Cash book was a complete screed, yes?
I realize that the cognitive dissonance you are feeling is distressing, but you need to get past this silly false equivalency.
Edited by Rrhain, : Better clarification on how spend/raise is meant.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 53 of 56 (794075)
11-09-2016 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Percy
11-07-2016 5:25 PM


Re: The FBI politicized? Say it isn't so!
Is this to be the FBI's position on the Clinton emails, that from now until the end of time the discovery of any Clinton emails on any device is grounds for public announcements that the investigation is being reopened so that a decision can be made anew about whether to charge her?
He said he did it because:
  • I feel an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed
  • I also think it would be misleading to the American people were we not to supplement the record
He also acknowledged that:
  • I don’t want to create a misleading impression
  • there is significant risk of being misunderstood
Full letter to the FBI:
quote:
To all:
This morning I sent a letter to Congress in connection with the Secretary Clinton email investigation. Yesterday, the investigative team briefed me on their recommendation with respect to seeking access to emails that have recently been found in an unrelated case. Because those emails appear to be pertinent to our investigation, I agreed that we should take appropriate steps to obtain and review them.
Of course, we don’t ordinarily tell Congress about ongoing investigations, but here I feel an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed. I also think it would be misleading to the American people were we not to supplement the record. At the same time, however, given that we don’t know the significance of this newly discovered collection of emails, I don’t want to create a misleading impression. In trying to strike that balance, in a brief letter and in the middle of an election season, there is significant risk of being misunderstood, but I wanted you to hear directly from me about it.
Jim Comey
sorce

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Taq
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Message 54 of 56 (794093)
11-09-2016 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by New Cat's Eye
11-09-2016 1:21 PM


Re: The FBI politicized? Say it isn't so!
That reminds me of the self-fulfilling question, "Can I interrupt you?". There is every reason to think that talking about any new group of Clinton emails would damage her campaign, and he did it anyway. His job was to stand by the rules of the department, even in the face of heated criticism from politicians. He failed to do his job.
And I only say this in the context of the FBI fixing their own house. I am absolutely devastated that my girl lost, but I see no reason to be a sore loser about the whole thing. The emails were but one flaw, and we all just need to move on . . . to 2020, very quickly, like at light speed, no delay . . .

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 55 of 56 (794144)
11-10-2016 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Taq
11-09-2016 5:36 PM


Re: The FBI politicized? Say it isn't so!
There is every reason to think that talking about any new group of Clinton emails would damage her campaign, and he did it anyway. His job was to stand by the rules of the department, even in the face of heated criticism from politicians. He failed to do his job.
I'm sorry, are you saying that it was his job to avoid doing damage to the campaign, because that's what the rules of his department are?
I am absolutely devastated that my girl lost
Yeah, Jill Stein is an outstanding woman

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Taq
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Message 56 of 56 (794146)
11-10-2016 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by New Cat's Eye
11-10-2016 1:56 PM


Re: The FBI politicized? Say it isn't so!
Cat Sci writes:
I'm sorry, are you saying that it was his job to avoid doing damage to the campaign, because that's what the rules of his department are?
Yes, within context. It has been a long standing rule not to talk about ongoing investigations involving a candidate within 60 days of a campaign.
Yeah, Jill Stein is an outstanding woman
I guess that makes me Green with envy, .

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