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coffee_addict
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Message 1 of 8 (794261)
11-13-2016 12:46 AM


My boyfriend and I just came back from seeing the movie Arrival. It's slow but really good. I highly recommend it if you have patience. If you don't have patience, don't go see it.
Anyway, I recognized instantly that the aliens are based on the Old Ones introduced in the Orion Among the Stars. Also, the concept of evolving the species to a point where the species could see the dimension of time comes directly from the Orion series.
What should I do?

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 2 of 8 (794262)
11-13-2016 1:06 AM
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11-13-2016 12:46 AM


$cience Fiction
Im sure it will work out. Don't authors freely borrow from each other? Can concepts be trademarked or patented?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
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Message 3 of 8 (794263)
11-13-2016 2:54 AM
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11-13-2016 1:06 AM


Re: $cience Fiction
Can concepts be trademarked or patented?
Nothing having to do with the story line of a book can be patented. A mark or phrase connected a series of books, "Like ... for Dummies" may be trademarks.
So you probably meant to talk about what might be protected under copyright law.

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coffee_addict
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Message 4 of 8 (794278)
11-13-2016 5:41 PM


So, I went ahead and shot Ben Bova an email late last night. Just got a reply. Seems like he and his publishers are aware of it. And he told me basically that words are copyrighted but not ideas.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Phat
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Message 5 of 8 (794279)
11-13-2016 5:45 PM
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11-13-2016 5:41 PM


Ideas
Thats what I figured.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Message 6 of 8 (794305)
11-14-2016 11:38 AM
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11-13-2016 5:41 PM


Lammy writes:
And he told me basically that words are copyrighted but not ideas.
So I'm free to write a story where boy meets girl, boy gets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back? Good to know.

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Message 7 of 8 (794420)
11-15-2016 12:57 PM
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11-14-2016 11:38 AM


ringo muses:
So I'm free to write a story where boy meets girl, boy gets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back? Good to know.
Yes, like King Kong!!!

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Dr Adequate
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Message 8 of 8 (794468)
11-16-2016 10:58 AM


It is kinda difficult to come up with totally new ideas, even in science fiction where you can just make anything up.
I think the best person at doing so is Greg Egan, in his short stories. I recommend them.

  
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