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Message 15 of 187 (794222)
11-11-2016 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by jar
11-10-2016 6:58 PM


Long long ago and in a land far far away when Newt Gingrich was still just the Conservative Talking Head and the Democrats were proposing Universal Health Care the newt was sagacious enough to understand that IF the Democrats succeeded in creating a Universal Health care system in the US they would hold power for generations.
The man is not dumb; vile yes, but certainly not dumb.
Except that this did not happen almost anywhere else upon the introduction of universal healthcare; and there is no reason to think the US would differ in this regard.

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Message 45 of 187 (794507)
11-16-2016 4:10 PM
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11-16-2016 3:58 PM


Re: Try reading what Trump said it has been on his website since March
That's only half of it, though. Just because an insurance company is required to insure you doesn't mean that a healthcare provider is required to accept it. And that's exactly the problem that friends of mine who utilized Obamacare are complaining about: They have insurance now but they're having problems finding people who take it.
How on earth is that possible? No provider should be allowed to refuse valid insurance. We have a legal concept of legal tender to prevent this kind of extortion,
Having the government in charge of something makes it cost more money and take longer. Plus they're notoriously incompetent and careless.
Stop and think for a minute before spouting obviously false ideological slogans. We're discussing the US healthcare system, where everything costs a lot more than the UK's state run healthcare system. If you want to criticise the actual shortcomings of the NHS, then go ahead, but it is an uncontovertible fact that Britain's socialist healthcare is cheaper than the private system in the US. For that matter, every heathcare system in the developed world is cheaper than the US's, despite having more government involvement.
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Message 54 of 187 (794518)
11-16-2016 4:43 PM
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11-16-2016 4:35 PM


Re: Try reading what Trump said it has been on his website since March
Some insurance companies simply don't pay their bills. Doctors/Hospitals then stop accepting that insurance.
Perhaps no insurers should be allowed to refuse to pay their bills.
That would also be a good idea. Are there not legal requirements in order to be a provider of government-mandated health insurance?
I dunno, maybe the UK government is better than ours.
Have you ever worked with the US government?
Ah - the bizarre inverse of the US exceptionalism argument. 'It may work everywhere else, but the US is uniquely incompetent'. I'm not convinced.
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Message 61 of 187 (794525)
11-16-2016 4:59 PM
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11-16-2016 4:53 PM


Re: Try reading what Trump said it has been on his website since March
There are, but I don't see that any of them mention paying your bills. It's all about what you have to provide to the consumer rather than what you have to do for the provider.
Then this is a flaw. Legally-mandated health insurance should require the condition that insurers are able to pay, and when they can't payment should be guaranteed by the state.

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Message 133 of 187 (794705)
11-20-2016 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by New Cat's Eye
11-17-2016 4:37 PM


Re: Myths Americans Believe About Healthcare
No, we negotiated a salary and then benefits are on top. The benefits do not come out of my pocket.
When I do a pricing analysis at work and need to include the cost of any employee, I do not seperate the wages and the benefits. An employee with $10,000 in wages and $3,000 in benefits cost $13,000. An employee with $8.000 in wages and $5,000 in benefits costs $13,000. Every company in the world counts exactly the same way, because not doing so would be unfathomably stupid.
You negotiated a compensation package - if you negotiated a salary without any mention of benefits you're an odd individual indeed. Your company is counting the cost of the compensation package. They're not counting the wages and ignoring the rest.

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