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Author Topic:   Links for the Creation/Evolution Controversy (not a debate topic)
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Message 106 of 106 (794723)
11-21-2016 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by dwise1
11-19-2016 1:15 PM


Re: Nazis were Creationists
Nazi ideology and practice taught and relied entirely on artificial selection (used by breeders of livestock), not Darwinism's natural selection.

While it is true that eugenics is about artificial selection, that alone does not prevent eugenics from being based on Darwin's observations and writings. Origin of species has a lot to say about artificial selection, and builds upon ideas observed about artificial selection to make statements about natural selection.

Eugenics was once considered a progressive idea in the US and was not completely disavowed until late in the twentieth century. From the wikipedia article on the Eugenics in the US.

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Eugenics was practised in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany[5] and U.S. programs provided much of the inspiration for the latter.[6][7][8] Stefan Kühl has documented the consensus between Nazi race policies and those of eugenicists in other countries, including the United States, and points out that eugenicists understood Nazi policies and measures as the realization of their goals and demands

So what was the scientific basis for eugenics (if any?)

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The American eugenics movement was rooted in the biological determinist ideas of Sir Francis Galton, which originated in the 1880s. Galton studied the upper classes of Britain, and arrived at the conclusion that their social positions were due to a superior genetic makeup.[11] Early proponents of eugenics believed that, through selective breeding, the human species should direct its own evolution. They tended to believe in the genetic superiority of Nordic, Germanic and Anglo-Saxon peoples;

Now given the connections between Galton and Darwin, I think it would be foolish to deny the source of some of the ideas behind eugenics. On the other hand, there is little reason to blame Darwin for reporting truthful observations. Galton and his followers, or the other hand...


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