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Author Topic:   Evidence for Evolution: Whale evolution
Dr Adequate
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Message 245 of 443 (795012)
12-04-2016 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by Dredge
12-03-2016 8:13 PM


Of all the nonsense served up by evolutionists, whale evolution is the most hilarious yarn yet - I love it!
Thank you for sharing with us your precise and detailed analysis of the issue. It must have taken you many years to attain such a complete mastery of the facts, and yet you have managed to express all the relevant information concerning the morphology, genetics, embryology and fossil record of whales in a mere nineteen words, so that one must truly say that you are outstanding not only in your erudite grasp of your subject matter, but also in the concision with which you express your vast learning. Sir, I salute you.

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Message 246 of 443 (795045)
12-05-2016 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by Dredge
12-03-2016 8:13 PM


So, no follow-up?
People, note that this is his first and only post. Apparently he registered with the forum just for that.

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Message 247 of 443 (795132)
12-06-2016 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Dredge
12-03-2016 8:13 PM


... still waiting.
Nothing? Nothing at all?

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Message 258 of 443 (803768)
04-04-2017 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by Dredge
04-04-2017 3:47 AM


The whale tale is one of the funniest yarns concocted by evolutionists: Some land-lubbing, vegetarian deer-like creature supposedly developed a taste for swimming in the ocean and devouring seafood.
No. You made that up.
Its nose somehow ends up on top of its head and its legs somehow turn into flippers.
Were you asleep in class when they explained the theory of evolution?
I love it! ... except is reduces the noble pursuit of science to embarrassing quackery.
Well, scientists --- who unlike you actually carry out "the noble pursuit of science" --- think that evolution is well-supported by the evidence and that creationism is stupid shit.
Isn't it interesting what some people are willing to believe?
Some people are willing to believe anything so long as it's proved by the evidence. They're called scientists. Other people believe without evidence that a talking snake outwitted God, and they are called creationists.

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Message 282 of 443 (804163)
04-07-2017 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Dredge
04-06-2017 6:44 AM


If you could wave a magic wand and remove from human consciousness the notion that species evolve from other species - evolution's core doctrine - it wouldn't make an iota of difference to anything pertaining to the real world.
Interesting lie. Why did you tell it?
I will not say the same of creationism: if you erased that, it would certainly make a difference. Kent Hovind would have to find a new source of income, and a number of drooling morons would have to find new ways to humiliate themselves on the internet.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 283 of 443 (804164)
04-07-2017 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Pressie
04-07-2017 7:31 AM


Were whales in the ark?
Obviously. The Bible says that Noah took specimens of "every living thing that hath breath". They are non-kosher, so only two of each kind of whale.

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Message 290 of 443 (804184)
04-07-2017 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Dredge
04-07-2017 5:57 PM


Every claim of "speciation" make by evolutions that I've investigated has turned out to be decidedly unconvincing - dare I say, bogus.
So, have creationists been lying to us all this time?
The Institute For Creation Research says "New species do arise, a process called "speciation."
Answers In Genesis says "Species do change. Since Darwin’s day, many observations have confirmed this. In fact, new species have even been shown to arise within a single human lifetime", adding: "As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time".
The CreationWiki says: "Species have been observed to form, and Biblical creationism requires rapid speciation following the Flood."
Not to be outdone, Creation Ministries International says: "New species have been observed to form. In fact, rapid speciation is an important part of the creation model."
So, are all the creationists lying to us about speciation, this "important part of the creation model" which "Biblical creationism requires" ... or are you one of those sinister "detractors" that Answers In Genesis warned us about?
(Ditto for the examples of real-time "evolution" that Darwinist myth-makers peddle - such as antibiotic resistance. What mendacious nonsense. I've learnt that evolutionary "science" can't be trusted to tell the truth.)
You don't believe in the evolution of antibiotic resistance? Ooh, I can see we're going to have some fun with you.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 304 of 443 (804208)
04-07-2017 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by Faith
04-07-2017 10:51 PM


You can't really DO the scientific method with one-time events in the prehistoric past.
Scientists disagree with you.
the results you insist I must accept are not testable for the time period of the phenomena they purport to explain. You have to have testable results to have real science. All your tests can only test within the current time frame, they can't say anything about the prehistoric past no matter how plausible the methodology.
And yet we have persuaded you to admit that there were once living dinosaurs, do we have to do this again?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 308 of 443 (804212)
04-07-2017 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Faith
04-07-2017 11:07 PM


How silly you all can be. How on earth could anyone deny there were once living dinosaurs?
Well, for example, they could deny that observations made in the present can tell us about the prehistoric past, by saying something like this --- "the results you insist I must accept are not testable for the time period of the phenomena they purport to explain. You have to have testable results to have real science. All your tests can only test within the current time frame, they can't say anything about the prehistoric past no matter how plausible the methodology."
You intended this as an excuse for ignoring the evidence for evolution, but it's an equally good excuse for ignoring the evidence for dinosaurs.

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Message 328 of 443 (804383)
04-08-2017 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Faith
04-08-2017 8:47 PM


Technically there is such a thing as Speciation based on this definition, but of course the ToE treats it as a new Species that can go on evolving and speciating, and I've been at pains here to argue that in fact when Speciation has occurred the genetic potential for further evolution is extremely depleted or even completely at an end.
And oh how we laughed.
Evolutionists of course claim that mutations save this from happening. They can't and I've tried to show why but it's hard to get it said clearly.
And this difficulty would serve as a clue to someone so constituted as to get one.

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Message 338 of 443 (804454)
04-09-2017 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Dredge
04-09-2017 4:18 PM


As you would already have noticed, Faith, evolutionists have a penchant for calling something "evolution" when it really isn't. Evidently, deception via semantics is accepted as part and parcel of the culture of evolutionary "science". When asked for a practical use for macroevolution, they can't give you one. Instead they'll proffer an example of microevolution - eg, genetic variation within a species, or an example of natural selection (such as antibiotic resistance).
What strange, stupid, muddled lies you tell, to be sure.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 341 of 443 (804498)
04-10-2017 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by Dredge
04-09-2017 4:53 PM


I disagree with your claim that the theory of evolution debunks biblical creation - an untestable theory can't debunk anything. The untestable theory of evolution can do no more than provide an alternative belief system. The only raison d'etre for the theory of evoluton is to provide a godless creation story for atheists; it serves to reinforce their perception of reality.
How do you reconcile your insane fantasy with (a) the fact that many evolutionists are theists, and (b) your own admission that evolution "wouldn't debunk the existence of a supernatural Creator God"?
Applied science is the only true science ...
Interesting. So according to you it is not true science to know that Saturn has rings, or that daffodils are yellow, or that giraffes have long necks, because we have as yet found no practical use for these facts.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 342 of 443 (804499)
04-10-2017 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by Faith
04-10-2017 2:16 PM


He's quite right. Antibiotic resistance is not an example of evolution ...
Please do amuse us all by attempting to argue for that.

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Message 356 of 443 (804513)
04-10-2017 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
04-10-2017 5:09 PM


Fossil evidence is really a joke since you'd have to show that it's genetically possible to get from the complex reptile ear to the complex mammal ear, but all you have is the bones and the assumption that it happened.
Obviously it's genetically possible: a sufficient number of mutations can turn any genome into any other genome.

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Message 367 of 443 (804524)
04-10-2017 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 362 by Dredge
04-10-2017 7:20 PM


Unfortunately, evolution science can't be trusted to tell the truth.
And yet the thing you're whining about is in fact the exact truth, as you will now admit:
The definition of evolution includes both micro- and macro-evolution, which permits evolutionists to get away with calling antibiotic resistance an example or evolution, for example.

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