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Author Topic:   Red State vs Blue State -- drawing battlelines?
Taq
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Message 31 of 37 (795202)
12-08-2016 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
12-08-2016 11:51 AM


Re: Too bad we can't even ponder how to split the country
Faith writes:
Right now, however, what we are seeing is all this horrific violence against those who voted for Trump. That's ALL coming from the Left, it's a product of Leftist ideology that somehow gives a sense of entitlement to get your way against the views and desires of the other half of the population.
The vast, vast majority of people who voted for Hillary Clinton have not committed any acts of violence. Perhaps you should put that big paint brush away.
With people rioting because they didn't win the election we can hardly say we are a moral and religious people any more.
Any more? At what time in US history were there no violent protests? Even Jesus violently protested. Seem to remember something about turning over the moneychangers' tables.

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Message 32 of 37 (795205)
12-08-2016 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Taq
12-08-2016 3:16 PM


Re: Too bad we can't even ponder how to split the country
Are you for real? Comparing people protesting a LEGITIMATELY WON ELECTION with other kinds of protests, such as against tyrannical governments or bad government decisions or Jesus protesting the profanation of the Temple? And I doubt the whole city of Boston participated in the Boston Tea Party either.
THESE PROTESTS ARE AGAINST HALF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. And they beat up people who voted for Trump. And they include threatening electors to vote against the people too.ALL THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED I BELIEVE, and reason if ever there was one to wish this nation could be divided.

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Message 33 of 37 (795208)
12-08-2016 5:44 PM
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12-08-2016 4:35 PM


Re: Too bad we can't even ponder how to split the country
THESE PROTESTS ARE AGAINST HALF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
More like 19,4%

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Taq
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Message 34 of 37 (795245)
12-09-2016 10:54 AM
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12-08-2016 4:35 PM


Re: Too bad we can't even ponder how to split the country
Faith writes:
Comparing people protesting a LEGITIMATELY WON ELECTION with other kinds of protests, such as against tyrannical governments or bad government decisions or Jesus protesting the profanation of the Temple?
You aren't allowed to protest against politicians if they were legitimately elected? Since when?
THESE PROTESTS ARE AGAINST HALF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. And they beat up people who voted for Trump.
Have you forgotten that Hillary got more popular votes than Trump by 2.7 million?
Also, violence has been very, very limited. I am sure that you haven't been beat up.

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Message 35 of 37 (795246)
12-09-2016 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
12-08-2016 4:35 PM


Re: Too bad we can't even ponder how to split the country - really?
Hi Faith,
THESE PROTESTS ARE AGAINST HALF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ...
I'm going to ask you to keep your political comments to The 2016 United States Presidential Election thread, where you are already doing overtime, so we can focus here on what people would see as positive changes in red states and what people would see as positive changes in blue states.
Yes I'm picking on you, sorry, but that is because you are most likely to hijack this thread with continual off topic comments.
This is the split we already have, one we can work with to compare ideology and results. For instance we can already compare Wisconsin and Minnesota for overall performance on economy and public health and happiness.
Let me start:
Red State wish list:
  1. No government healthcare of any kind - use private for-profit insurance
  2. No public schools, all education via private or religious schools or home-schooled, curriculum decided by school not state
  3. No social safety net programs, no social security, no unemployment, no welfare, no disability assistance, no housing assistance
  4. No "intrusive" government programs, no EPA, no ADA, no OSHA, etc
  5. Public works constructed by prison labor
  6. All protesters and dissenters put in prison
  7. No public lands
  8. No indian reservations, no special treatment
  9. No unions, no right to organize or protest
  10. No abortions, no women's rights
  11. No gay marriage, no gay rights
  12. No anti-discrimination laws
  13. Stand your ground laws (= legalized murders)
  14. Right to work laws (= workers have no rights)
  15. Restrictions to prevent illegal voting
  16. Restriction on immigration
  17. No restrictions on businesses
  18. Sales tax instead of income tax
This is my opinion, of course, based on what I see republicans saying, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I notice that this list is predominantly negative, but that is because I have not personally seen any positive suggestions from republicans for years.
Blue State wish list:
  1. Universal healthcare, including free birth control and provision for abortions
  2. Free public funded school through state community college (associates degree) or Trade School to learn a skilled trade, emphasizing scientific evidence based approaches
  3. Guaranteed living income, replacing social security, welfare, unemployment etc, and that covers cost of housing, utilities and food.
  4. Rights to unionize, for associations strengthened
  5. All citizens free to vote without restrictions, using recountable paper ballots and ranked voting, all elections automatically audited to ensure proper counting of votes as cast
  6. No gerrymandering, so each vote has equal power
  7. Strengthen EPA, ADA, OSHA, etc
  8. Prisons shut down by providing education and health care, treating drug use as a health problem and providing a path to work
  9. Path to citizenship for all immigrants and expanded immigration
  10. Rights of people over corporations
  11. Make indian reservations sovereign and independently run
  12. Simplified tax laws that close loopholes and shift burden to those who benefit most from the economy, no more tax assistance to red states
  13. Reasonable gun laws that restrict ownership of mass killing guns and ammunition systems and close purchasing loopholes
  14. Reduction of militarization of police and security
And these are my wish list points, ones that I have seen espoused by different progressive leaders.
Enjoy

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Message 36 of 37 (795247)
12-09-2016 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Taq
12-09-2016 10:54 AM


Re: Too bad we can't even ponder how to split the country
A highway in Seattle:
I seem to remember some folk actually protesting a legitimately elected government back in the 60s.

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RAZD
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Message 37 of 37 (795248)
12-09-2016 11:08 AM


TOPIC PLEASE
Let's return to the issue of red vs blue states
anything not related to this is off topic, and I will complain to admin to shut the thread.
Most of these comments are more appropriate on the The 2016 United States Presidential Election thread
Enjoy
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