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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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Oh well I guess I'll have to starve to death since I have to answer at least some of your post. Haha, keep your strength up.
I do find that amazing, but I would have to suppose the speed was the factor that made it possible, speed and angle. The important fact is that steel has a much higher compression strength than it does resistance to shearing forces. Much like just about any material. Trump, who makes skyscrapers, should know these things. He should know that there were big gaps between support pillars enabling most of the plane to pass almost unimpeded. He should know that a much smaller plane, a B-25 hit the Empire State Building and debris from this went clear through the building and out the other side.
So I don't see Trump's idea working either. He should know - he built his empire out of skyscrapers, so spinning nonsense to the contrary is worrying deception or alarming incompetence. What would it take for you to drop your overall support of Trump? 9/11 truther nonsense? Nope.Sexual harassment as a perk of his status? Nope. Clearly not a Christian? Nope. Trying to use eminent domain, a practice you compared to theft, to take people's homes so he can build a car park for wealthy gamblers? Nope. Discriminating against blacks in hiring and housing? Nope. Working with Soros? Nope. Giving money to Clinton's campaign? Nope.
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Modulous writes: What would it take for you to drop your overall support of Trump? It would take the ability to cast a critical eye on all information and to weave legitimate information into a coherent and consistent whole. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Most of your list is fake news from the MSM, or taken so out of context it's meaningless. However, what it would take to stop supporting Trump would be an unconscionable willingness to keep going down the Leftist path that has been destroying America, a desire to see America impoverished and sunk into third-world status, a desire to see America overcome by enemies, a willingness to have a President whose moral record is abysmally below just about anybody else's on the planet, and whose husband's record may be even worse. There's lots more but there's no point in wearing myself out for people who don't care about the truth.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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However, what it would take to stop supporting Trump would be an unconscionable willingness to keep going down the Leftist path that has been destroying America, It's a little subjective and not particularly specific. So is there anything reasonably likely? Could he go too far right wing? Could he privatise something you would disagree with?Native American homelands {to allow oil drilling} Highways Medicare Fire Service Police Military Government Is there a morality law that would go too farPrison for women who get abortions? Prison for women who can't prove their rape allegations are true? Any business corruption?If he signed a deal with the Russians to supply them with billions of dollars of defence equipment? If he acquired churches to build casinos? Any sexual misconduct? Cheated on his wife? Sexual harassment?
Most of your list is fake news from the MSM Much of my list is a matter of public record, either Trump's own words or court documents in suits against him. Is there anything on it that, if true, would result in you turning against him. I mean you were content to condemn Obama on the basis of random people making claims against him. Obama only had to look at a socialist and this was guilt by association. Did he decide to be diplomatic and not alienate and insult over a billion people? He's obviously a Muslim. I'm just trying to understand why Trump gets the latitude he gets from you.
There's lots more but there's no point in wearing myself out for people who don't care about the truth. Hi Faith. I am fairly sure I have been polite and kind-hearted towards you. I have always attempted, as far as humanly possible, to treat your posts with respect and to assume the strongest possible interpretation of your claims. I've spent hours watching Alex Jones videos just so I can provide the thread with the specific statements that support you that you won't - that you only hint exists somewhere. I don't get CNN here. I don't get FOX News. I don't get MSNBC. I don't get any of that stuff. Any news story that interests me - I will look for the original source material and assess from there. I have scolded you in the past about how you regularly smear me as a liar or other unpleasant things. Why? Is your hatred simply what I should come to expect from a True Christian? Are Christians incapable of having a conversation with someone with whom they have some disagreements without insulting them like this? Honestly, Faith, this kind of dismissal is disgusting. Merry Christmas. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Faith writes: However, what it would take to stop supporting Trump would be an unconscionable willingness to keep going down the Leftist path that has been destroying America, It's a little subjective and not particularly specific. Not specific, but it's the typical standard wingnut nonsense that many people who voted for Trump spout. If you are looking for a credible and understandable defense of Trump, I would suggest looking elsewhere.
Is there a morality law that would go too far Prison for women who get abortions? Prison for women who can't prove their rape allegations are true? Any business corruption?If he signed a deal with the Russians to supply them with billions of dollars of defence equipment? If he acquired churches to build casinos? Any sexual misconduct? Cheated on his wife? Sexual harassment? Aren't all of those things known about Trump? They clearly are not disqualifying to a large number of Americans. So many, in fact, that it is impossible to shame them over these issues. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1531 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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To Trump people, it seems the only thing that matters is the Donald is not Obama or Hillary. Period, that is the only criteria that seems to have mattered.
He has committed just about every possible sin a public speaker could.He has shown he is bigoted, sexist, ignorant, bullying, vindictive, untruthful, judgemental, it just goes on and on. None of this matters. Not only does the Emperor not have any clothes on, he could take a big steaming crap in the middle of the road and would be cheered for it. The Trump apologist machine would figure out a way to spin that into Trump donates organic fertilizer or something. Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
To Trump people, it seems the only thing that matters is the Donald is not Obama or Hillary. Period, that is the only criteria that seems to have mattered. There are some non-crazy reasons that can be used to defend a vote for Trump. What I find amusing is that some folks never seem to cite any of such things when explaining their position. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1531 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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NoNukes writes: There are some non-crazy reasons that can be used to defend a vote for Trump. Maybe...but having the Donald in charge of U.S. Policy making is like having the fox guard the hen house. I really believe he will not only further enrich himself and his dynasty from his presidential stint, but he will cause untold ruin to American credibility abroad. He has a freakin Hotel in the middle of Washing DC!! It is already lodging the Zillionnaires or foreign governments looking for quid pro quo. He already stated that the President cannot have a conflict of interest. The fact that every president before him has respected such impropriety not worthy of the office, Trump seems to don impropriety like a fine camel hair coat.His supporters do not care, sane or insane it doesn't seem to matter. The U.S. has gone completely off its Rocker imo. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He has shown he is bigoted, sexist, ignorant, bullying, vindictive, untruthful, judgemental, it just goes on and on. None of this matters. Of course none of that matters. It's false. It's all Leftist PC propaganda. ANd truth be told, that describes all the Leftists to a T. I can put my description in positive terms. Trump will work to prosper American instead of impoverish us. Bring back jobs, put people to work. He will also work to protect us against our enemies, instead of selling us out to them as the Left does. Trump will work to protect our borders and our laws. I would like to see him throw the Vatican mob out of the country myself, since they are the ones violating our borders and bringing in illegal aliens. But I guess he won't do that. Too bad. However, he's for American sovereignty against globalism, freedom of speech against Leftist PC censorship and other kinds of censorship of views they don't like. America First, that's the tag. Overall Trump is everything the Right and Libertarians as well have been starving for for years. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I can put my description in positive terms. Trump will work to prosper American instead of impoverish us. Bring back jobs, put people to work. He will also work to protect us against our enemies, instead of selling us out to them as the Left does. When I said positive terms I meant rational, non-wingnut terms that would sound rational to just about anybody. Heck, even I can do that. I explicitly did not mean terms that are just "Liberal = commie" or the equivalent.
I would like to see him throw the Vatican mob out of the country myself And not just the kind of terms favored by conspiracy minded folk who thinks things like that quoted above.
However, he's for American sovereignty against globalism, freedom of speech against Leftist PC censorship and other kinds of censorship of views they don't like. America First, that's the tag. Overall Trump is everything the Right and Libertarians as well have been starving for for years. I couldn't have asked for a better example of what I did not mean than your post. Thanks for responding on cue. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1531 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Faith writes: What? A WWE/reality tv star, real estate mogul with a grandiose comb-over? Good to know Faith. Overall Trump is everything the Right and Libertarians as well have been starving for for years. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ah the usual blithering.... But I would like to answer your kneejerk accusation about my Vatican remark. I tried to get the link to a book at Amazon but my computer is driving me crazy with glitches and hangups and I can't get the link. But it's easy to find at Amazon: American Democracy and the Vatican: Population Control... .by Stephen Mumford, a book written in the 80s about how the Vatican interferes with population control efforts, and in Chapter 2 he describes how they encourage illegal immigration. READ CHAPTER TWO at their "look inside" link.
I also did a blog post on it: Send the Vatican the Bill for the Wall Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ah the usual EvC ad hominem. No substance necessary, just look at the hair.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined:
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Most of your list is fake news from the MSM, or taken so out of context it's meaningless. Oh? Interesting. I didn't know that. I do know that some of the list seems to be totally true and accepted by Trump. So which ones are fake or out of context?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Are you quoting a book written by Stephen Douglas Mumford? This guy is practically my next door neighbor. I can agree with some of the stuff this folk says, but his main thing is population control. Dr. Mumford proposals include population control via large scale abortion among other things. Small wonder that such a person has a beef with the Catholic Church.
I do have a beef with the Catholic Church's stance on contraception, but that does not lead me to accept every thing Mumford writes in a book. I suspect that his enmity with the Catholic Church and his dislike of immigration are among the few views the two of you have in common. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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