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Author Topic:   The Great Creationist Fossil Failure
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Message 889 of 1163 (794365)
11-14-2016 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 879 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 6:21 PM


Re: Siberia
And the Bible says you are full of shit and that God can't be as dumb as the God you try to market. I mean come on man! Your God sends a flood to kill all the folk buried under the Siberian Traps. What a fool.
Have ever read the Bible or are like most "Biblical Christians" totally unable to honestly read what is written in the stories.
The Bible says there were folk living in the plains and even in the Middle east and not just in the small part of Siberia covered by the traps and the Bible even implies that the pre flood humans were not as stupid as you seem to assert. The Siberian Traps were not one even but rather a whole series of events that continued for over a million years. Are you saying the humans were as dumb as the God you market and in that million years a few did not vote with their feet and leave?
But of course the crap about Siberia is just another of your con games to avoid admitting your idea is simply bullshit.
According to the Bible Creation week did not take place in Siberia.
According to the Bible there were people and other mammals as well as birds and flowing plants and fruit trees and grains and reptiles from the Creation Week right up to the flood.
Yet no where on Earth has ANYONE found a single example of flowering plants or grasses or mammals or birds or reptiles or anything described in either of the Creation Myths found in the Bible below the P/T boundary. No where. Not in Siberia, not in the Middle east, not even in River City.
So unless you can provide some evidence it might be wise for you to stop making silly assertions.

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jar
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Message 907 of 1163 (794384)
11-14-2016 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 893 by mindspawn
11-14-2016 7:17 PM


Re: Siberia
mindspawn writes:
I did post evidence of pre-boundary angiosperms in this thread, maybe you missed it.
And exactly where in either of the Biblical Creation Myths are angiosperms mentioned?
But in case you missed it (try reading the Bible) there are lots of critters that ARE mentioned in the Creation Week and angiosperms are not among them but humans and ravens and fish and cattle and fruit trees and flowers and grasses and serpent are mentioned.
But there has never been any evidence of anything in the Creation Myths found below the P/T boundary.
mindspawn writes:
The pre-flood biblical account does not mention the Middle east.
Too funny. Noah is not mentioned as living before the flood? His neighbors are not mentioned as living before the flood? You know (maybe you don't) that there are even genealogies in the Bible? And they are all living close enough to screw and beget and begot?
You know that Noah is one of them begets and begots? And he is in the Middle east?
Granted the Bible accounts are mutually exclusive and filled with factual errors but then I don't use folktales and myths as a basis for reality.
Where are ANY examples of anything mentioned in either of the Creation myths that has been found below the P
T boundary? And don't try to sell the utterly stupid idea that all the evidence is covered by the Siberian Traps because there is lots of evidence of life forms below the P/T boundary all over the world; just not of anything mentioned in the Creation myths.
mindspawn writes:
My timeframes are different to yours, you know that.
My timeframes are based on ALL of the evidence, not 2000 year old myths.

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jar
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Message 920 of 1163 (794404)
11-15-2016 8:23 AM


mindspawns fantasy fails on Day three.
mindspawn claims that the Biblical flood happened at the P/T boundary but that has been proven to be false.
First, the P/T boundary is not a line but rather a period lasting millions of years, a transition period. Even the Siberian Traps did not happen in the year which is the maximum time that can be justified by either of the Biblical myths but rather a series of events over about a million years.
But wait...there's more.
The very first living thing created during Creation Week is found in Genesis 1:11-13
quote:
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
But guess what is NOT found below the P/T boundary?
Grass and herbs and trees yielding fruit is what is not found below the P/T boundary.
That means either mindspawn is wrong or God is wrong or both mindspawns flood and the Biblical Creation Week are simply myths, fantasy.
Forget trilobites, forget humans, forget cattle, forget mammals and birds and lions and tigers and bears and ohmys. The missing grass and herbs and trees bearing fruit are sufficient to refute mindspawns nonsense.

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jar
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Message 926 of 1163 (794427)
11-15-2016 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 924 by Granny Magda
11-15-2016 1:39 PM


an aside for manatees
Long long ago and in a land far far away when I was writing software for marine biologists and managing the computer system there was a mother manatee and pup that would come up to the dock to get hosed down with fresh water and eat cabbage.
Manatees have really, really, really bad breath and they do fart in the pool.

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jar
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Message 965 of 1163 (794914)
12-01-2016 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 964 by Taq
12-01-2016 10:28 AM


Re: Mindspawn's Personal Fossil Failure
Mindspawn has to be a POE. Nobody, even a creationist, could really be so stupid as to put forward the utterly ridiculous bullshit (s)he has posted so far.
Edited by jar, : learn to tipe dubmy.

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Message 995 of 1163 (795519)
12-14-2016 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 986 by mindspawn
12-14-2016 6:07 AM


Re: the evidence supports evolution
mindspawn writes:
2) The world was looking for an excuse to deny God. They found it. Until then creationism was a common/natural concept because God was a natural concept. Now the concept of God is regularly mocked.
What an utterly absurd as well as totally false statement. As a Christian I find you posts really embarrassing; giving the impression that Christians must be brain dead or consummate liars.
Almost all major Christian sects not only accept the fact of evolution but also understand that the Theory of Evolution is the only existing explanation for what is seen in reality.
What Christians mock is the silly Creationists and Creationism. Christians and Christian churches have been among the most vocal and effective opponents of the perverted nonsense marketed by Creationist.

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jar
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Message 1047 of 1163 (795608)
12-14-2016 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1009 by mindspawn
12-14-2016 2:37 PM


Re: the evidence supports evolution
mindspawn writes:
See that? It's the bible. It is NOT perverted nonsense. If I see that wording as literal, surely as a Christian you would not claim I am perverted in that belief. Perverted for believing the bible as per the bible wording? I think you use a too strong word as a claimed Christian to another Christian. I do not call your non-biblical beliefs perverted and yet you call my biblical beliefs perverted. Interesting. You are indirectly calling the bible perverted.
Well of course much of the Bible is perverted nonsense but that is not what I was saying.
You claim that you see that wording as literal yet the very next story in the Bible contradicts almost everything that is included in Genesis 1 as well as describing an entirely different God.
What is perverting the Bible is the utter nonsense and bullshit of trying to claim it is literal, factual, without error, without contradiction, historically accurate and not in many cases si9mply propaganda.
To claim that the Creation myths in the Bible stories were ever meant to be considered as factual or literal simply make the claimant look at best as ignorant and in most cases as dishonest.

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Message 1073 of 1163 (795658)
12-14-2016 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1071 by Coyote
12-14-2016 9:13 PM


Re: the evidence supports evolution
mindspawn writes:
Creationism predicts that all kinds were created at one moment in the past. Therefore all current organisms will be found through all layers in approximately the same form as modern organisms.
And that is so utterly hilarious that that alone is sufficient to assign Creationism to the trash heap of piss poor comedy. Not a single example of what the Biblical Creation myths claim was created has even been found in any of the oldest samples.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was not so. Nope, none of those things were created in the beginning.
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven but that too didn't happen and there were no fowls in the beginning.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good except that too simply never happened and there were no great whales in the beginning.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so but once again he was wrong and there were no cattle or beasts of the earth in the beginning.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth except there was no man or fish or fowl or cattle in the beginning.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat but yet again God was jess funnin them because there were no trees or fruit with seed in the beginning.
If Creationism makes such a stupid prediction then it explains why Creationism seem to be as false as the God in the story.
Edited by jar, : left a fraz out
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin of even basik words
Edited by jar, : and no great wales either only no great whales

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Message 1089 of 1163 (795685)
12-15-2016 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1087 by mindspawn
12-15-2016 8:09 AM


Re: the evidence supports evolution and Creationism is just a sorry joke
mindspawn writes:
All you can do is appeal to the fact that evolution is widely accepted.
You simply continue to post falsehood after falsehood.
That is NOT what anyone has posted and to claim that is what others do is simply another lie.
What has been posted is twofold, first the fact that we got the fossils and you don't and the fact that what is described in the creation myths in the Bible is shown to be false by ALL of the external evidence as well as the fact that the order of creation, the method of creation and the descriptions of the God in the two creation myths in the Bible are mutually exclusive.

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jar
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Message 1093 of 1163 (795690)
12-15-2016 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1090 by mindspawn
12-15-2016 9:10 AM


Re: the evidence supports evolution and Creationism is just a sorry joke
mindspawn writes:
The fact that most organisms appear fully formed supports creationism.
Bullshit. Sorry but that is sim0ply bullshit. First, any organism that lives long enough to die and get fossilized will be fully formed. The fact that we find fully formed fossils certainly does not support Creationism but the fact that not one of the critters the Biblical creation myths claim as being created sure and hell refutes Creationism.
mindspawn writes:
To assume evolving is occurring on the scale required by evolutionists is mere assumption with no evidence.
Yet more utter bullshit.
Evolution is change over time and even you admit that the record shows change over time.
Why do you and every other Creationist keep providing support to show that Creationism is simply a really poorly done joke?

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jar
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Message 1100 of 1163 (795702)
12-15-2016 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1097 by Percy
12-15-2016 10:07 AM


Re: Catching Up
Percy writes:
Evolutionary change is toward adaptation and not in any particular direction, such as larger or faster.
I think we need to point out that it is adaptation to the environment that existed at a given time and what the record shows is that those critters that were adapted to that particular environment at that particular time were the ones that passed on their DNA to the next generation. And the evidence shows that as the environment changed some traits lead to continuation while other traits led to extinction. The changes are not towards adaptation but rather those critters that happened to be adapted survived.

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jar
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Message 1101 of 1163 (795703)
12-15-2016 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1098 by edge
12-15-2016 10:08 AM


Re: Flood at the PT boundary
Also, unlike the K/T boundary, the P/T boundary is not some line but rather a very long period of millions of years when conditions changed. The Siberian Traps (that mindspawn keeps using) actually developed over a period of a million years alone.
AbE:
Claiming the P/T boundary is the period of the Biblical flood myths is simply providing yet more evidence that the Bible is factually wrong since at the very most the Bible stories limit the flood to about one years duration, not millions of years.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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Message 1113 of 1163 (795717)
12-15-2016 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1104 by Percy
12-15-2016 10:40 AM


Re: Catching Up
Just so it is clear that the evolution part is NOT towards anything, not towards adaptation or towards being unfit for the environment. It's just changes. It is the selection side that determines whether or not something is adapted.

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Message 1119 of 1163 (795795)
12-15-2016 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1118 by Granny Magda
12-15-2016 8:32 PM


Re: Phyla
That sure looks made in his image to me.

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Message 1152 of 1163 (796136)
12-23-2016 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1151 by edge
12-23-2016 9:07 AM


creation by the "BOOK"
edge writes:
taq writes:
The problem for creationism is that if there are no common ancestors then there is no reason we should see clades at all.
Interesting point.
If all creatures were created at the same time, why would there be clades? The very existence of clades by definition implies time and that time is manifested in the fossil record.
Worse, we have a record of what was created and when it was created and the things mentioned in the records of Creation simply are not in evidence in the fossil record. This is particularly true in all three religions based on the Judaic myths and the different flavors of Creationism that has appeared in those three religions that incorporate the very same creation stories.

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