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Author Topic:   The nuclear generation option
NoNukes
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Message 13 of 22 (795664)
12-15-2016 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taq
12-12-2016 3:51 PM


Re: Nuclear Power is Bananas, But In A Good Way
As it turns out, the Fukushima disaster released 76 million bananas of radiation
Not quite right. The article says 76 million bananas every hour. The headline is misleading.
Forbes is almost alt-right on some topics. If I am going to quote a Forbes article as fact, I would check it thoroughly. FWIW, the calculations about the radioactivity of the typical banana based on the amount of K40 that is likely present are correct. But the dismissal of the concerns cited in his article are all hand waving.
There is no safe amount of radiation. As best we know, the risk added by sources of radiation are cumulative. I would also point out that not all forms of radiation are equally deadly as measured in Beq which is merely disintegrations per second. Some radioactive materials accumulate at various portions of the body because they mimic metals that are already present which offsets the effect of dilution if marine life can reconcentrate them. Some emissions (alpha, beta, gamma, neutron are more damaging to the body that others).
None of that crap is addressed in the article.

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NoNukes
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Message 18 of 22 (795787)
12-15-2016 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Taq
12-15-2016 2:04 PM


Re: Nuclear Power is Bananas, But In A Good Way
we are about exposing ourselves to the mid-summer Sun for 30 minutes.
I suspect that you've made an over estimate here. But a source of radiation comparable to 30 minutes of sun is something to be concerned about. And of course you've ignored some of the comments I've made about concentration of metals by sea life among other things.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 21 of 22 (795807)
12-16-2016 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Taq
12-16-2016 10:44 AM


Re: Nuclear Power is Bananas, But In A Good Way
If you think 30 minutes of Sun exposure is something to be worried about, it pretty much discredits your other statements.
An extra 30 minutes per day for every person on earth certainly would be appreciable. 30 minutes over a lifetime, not so much.
Which brings to mind another way in which not all radioactive material is created equal. The same number of Beq of material with a long half life delivers a higher a higher dose to the body than does a material which decays away quickly.
Yet another difference is that sunlight is not an internal body problem with radiation that might accumulate in, say, your thyroid, while some components of reactor fission products are that kind of problem. So just comparing disintegrations per second does not cut it.
Look, my point is not that I've discovered a large problem. It is more that the article as written is pretty sloppy and full of handwaving. There is no reason to divide the radiation up into an hourly dose if it is accumulating into the ocean. The issue is the total amount of radioactivity discharged taking into account the half-life of the material.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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