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Author Topic:   The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance
Phat
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Message 662 of 670 (795378)
12-12-2016 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 658 by jar
12-02-2016 1:03 PM


Re: Maps,Territories,and personal decisions
Jesus was born a Jew, raised as a Jew, preached to Jews, lived as a Jew, tried to reform Judaism and died as a Jew.
If Jesus preached to Jews, why do you take matthew 25 as being for everyone? The fact is that Jesus preaches to everyone.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Message 663 of 670 (795380)
12-12-2016 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 662 by Phat
12-12-2016 11:30 AM


Re: Maps,Territories,and personal decisions
Phat, why don't your responses ever relate to what you are replying.

Who Jesus was, how Jesus lived and who Jesus preached to has nothing to do with what Jesus preached. How many times have I pointed you toward Luke 4?

Luke 4 writes:

25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;

26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.

27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,

Jesus pissed the Jews off by pointing out that they are NOT the Chosen people. If Jesus were here today I imagine he would piss off most Christians by pointing out that they too are not the Chosen people.


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Phat
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Message 664 of 670 (795418)
12-13-2016 4:24 AM
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12-12-2016 11:52 AM


Re: Maps,Territories,and personal decisions
jar writes:

Jesus pissed the Jews off by pointing out that they are NOT the Chosen people. If Jesus were here today I imagine he would piss off most Christians by pointing out that they too are not the Chosen people.

Actually I agree with this assessment.

Sometimes i think I need to pray (and read the Bible) more, and argue online less.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Message 665 of 670 (795419)
12-13-2016 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 664 by Phat
12-13-2016 4:24 AM


Re: Maps,Territories,and personal decisions
Phat writes:

Sometimes i think I need to pray (and read the Bible) more, and argue online less.

And I think that if you did much less of all three and took up golf or fishing or anything that got you outside and beyond your internal obsessions you'd be a helluva lot happier.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 666 of 670 (796456)
12-30-2016 9:34 AM
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12-13-2016 4:35 AM


Gone Fishin For Eternal Security
Phat writes:

Sometimes i think I need to pray (and read the Bible) more, and argue online less.

Tangle writes:

And I think that if you did much less of all three and took up golf or fishing or anything that got you outside and beyond your internal obsessions you'd be a helluva lot happier.

Perhaps.

Tell me though---do you have no problem with simply dying and ceasing to exist?

If the answer is no do you feel that you will continue to live vicariously through your offspring? Is that not a different way of defining eternal life---living through the next generation?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Message 667 of 670 (796458)
12-30-2016 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 666 by Phat
12-30-2016 9:34 AM


Re: Gone Fishin For Eternal Security
Phat writes:

Tell me though---do you have no problem with simply dying and ceasing to exist?

Well I'd really rather not have it happen, but as dying is still a necessary part of living, I'll have to put up with it. It bothers me more that I wasn't born in 500 years time when dying will probably be optional.

If the answer is no do you feel that you will continue to live vicariously through your offspring?

No, of course not. I'm me, they're them. I'll be dead, dead.

Is that not a different way of defining eternal life---living through the next generation?

No, see above.

All this worrying about the continuance of life after death is why it was necessary to invent gods that could do it. Once you accept that we're just another form of life that is totally disposable, life gets easy. You're not important in the scheme of things - you are only important to the people who's lives you touch.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 668 of 670 (796460)
12-30-2016 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 667 by Tangle
12-30-2016 9:50 AM


Re: Gone Fishin For Eternal Security
Once you accept that we're just another form of life that is totally disposable, life gets easy. You're not important in the scheme of things - you are only important to the people who's lives you touch.
in which case i would ask them to go fishing with me. Being alone is no fun.

Tell me this, though. If we are only important to those whose lives we touch, is that itself not spirituality?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Message 669 of 670 (796463)
12-30-2016 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 668 by Phat
12-30-2016 9:57 AM


Re: Gone Fishin For Eternal Security
Phat writes:

in which case i would ask them to go fishing with me. Being alone is no fun.


That's ok too, but a lot of the pleasure of fishing is solitude and countryside.

Tell me this, though. If we are only important to those whose lives we touch, is that itself not spirituality?

I'd say that it's just being human. We're important to the people we love and love us; that's just life. It's overthinking simple things that's getting you into these difficulties.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 670 of 670 (796468)
12-30-2016 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 662 by Phat
12-12-2016 11:30 AM


Re: Maps,Territories,and personal decisions
Phat writes:

If Jesus preached to Jews, why do you take matthew 25 as being for everyone?


Jesus was talking TO Jews but He was talking ABOUT everybody. What part of "all nations" is confusing?
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