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Topic: Do We NEED God?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 159 of 224 (747621)
01-17-2015 11:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 152 by Phat
01-16-2015 5:50 PM
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Re: How does the Holy Spirit inspire anyone?
Phat writes: My belief, of course is that God created all things. In Him is life and that life is the light of men. Hence, all logic, reason and reality are filtered through Him.
Phat writes: The evidence does not validate my claims.
That's the problem. You might as well say that pink unicorns are prancing through my living room and that all logic, reason and reality are filtered through them. It isn't. Logic, reason and reality are still logic, reason and reality no matter what you believe. You are not talking about logic, reason and reality at all. You're talking about a silly caricature of logic, reason and reality. You're trying too hard to believe in what you know is not true.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 166 of 224 (796470)
12-30-2016 11:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 163 by Phat
12-29-2016 3:18 PM
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Re: Omni-God
Phat writes: Think of the implications if you became an instant superhero. What would be your responsibility to society?
We can tell the heroes from the villains by how they treat society. Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No! It's Indifferent-Man!
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 174 of 224 (796646)
01-02-2017 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 171 by NoNukes
12-31-2016 2:05 AM
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Re: Omni-God
NoNukes writes: Would you set the priority for doing stopping rape higher than say arranging peace in the Middle East?
Why would an omnipotent God have priorities?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 171 by NoNukes, posted 12-31-2016 2:05 AM | | NoNukes has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 185 of 224 (796840)
01-05-2017 10:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 175 by NoNukes
01-02-2017 2:17 PM
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Re: Omni-God
NoNukes writes: Because being omnipotent does not necessarily mean you can be in two places at once?
I think it clearly does.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 175 by NoNukes, posted 01-02-2017 2:17 PM | | NoNukes has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 202 by NoNukes, posted 01-13-2017 1:23 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 186 of 224 (796841)
01-05-2017 10:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 176 by NoNukes
01-02-2017 2:19 PM
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Re: Omni-God
NoNukes writes: Perhaps your idea of what God is like does not reflect what God is actually like?
My idea of God is that there is none. I'm just going by the idea of an "omnipotent" God that believers push.
NoNukes writes: Because he has assigned somethings for you to do?
You're setting the bar for "omnipotence" pretty low. If I delegate everything, I can be "omnipotent" too.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 176 by NoNukes, posted 01-02-2017 2:19 PM | | NoNukes has not replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 187 by Phat, posted 01-07-2017 8:31 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 190 of 224 (796916)
01-07-2017 10:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 187 by Phat
01-07-2017 8:31 AM
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Re: Omni-God
Phat writes: He is the only one I can count on who will never let you down.
Again, if you set the bar really, really low, you can count on Him to never let you down. The homeless guy on the corner never lets me down because I don't expect anything of him. Suppose I ask the homeless guy for a ride to work. He doesn't have a car or a driver's license but he hails a cab for me; it only costs me $20. How is that different from Noah having to build his own ark? Edited by ringo, : me --> you
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 187 by Phat, posted 01-07-2017 8:31 AM | | Phat has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 191 by Phat, posted 01-09-2017 3:03 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 192 of 224 (796990)
01-09-2017 10:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Phat
01-09-2017 3:03 AM
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Re: Omni-God
Phat writes: Whats your point? Say you could talk to God. What would your needs be?
You claimed that, "He is the only one I can count on who will never let me down." Message 187 That's blatantly false. You can't count on Him to build an ark for you. You can't count on Him to feed the hungry for you. If I could talk to God, why would I bother? I can only count on myself and my fellow man to fulfil my needs.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 191 by Phat, posted 01-09-2017 3:03 AM | | Phat has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 193 by Phat, posted 01-09-2017 10:59 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 194 of 224 (796995)
01-09-2017 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 193 by Phat
01-09-2017 10:59 AM
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Re: Omni-God
Phat writes: I certainly dont see humanity moving onward and upward.
Did slavery end? Did women get the vote? Did segregation end? Is discrimination on the basis of race, colour, creed, etc. no longer acceptable?
Paht writes: what hope is there, in your scenario?
What hope is there in yours?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 210 of 224 (797278)
01-16-2017 10:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 202 by NoNukes
01-13-2017 1:23 PM
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Re: Omni-God
NoNukes writes: In particular, there cannot simultaneously be free will and free action and yet have a universe where no one can elect to do evil.
Free will is just as silly a concept as omnipotence.
NoNukes writes: It is literally impossible to create a star that can last forever;
It is only impossible given the physical laws that we have - which were supposedly created by God. If you're constraining God to real physical laws outside His control, you're giving Him a huge copout not to do anything.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 212 by Phat, posted 01-16-2017 2:47 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 213 of 224 (797388)
01-19-2017 11:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 212 by Phat
01-16-2017 2:47 PM
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Re: Omni-God
Phat writes: ... you say that if you could imagine God as existing, He is then obligated to prevent evil.
Not at all. But if there was a God who could prevent evil and didn't, he would be the enemy.
Phat writes: In other words, your God becomes one whom You define and create.
No. YOUR God is one whom YOU define and create and I reject.
Phat writes: There would have been no need to build a boat without a flood.
EXACTLY! Noah had to save himself FROM GOD.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 212 by Phat, posted 01-16-2017 2:47 PM | | Phat has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 219 by Phat, posted 06-09-2017 10:03 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 221 of 224 (811601)
06-09-2017 12:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 219 by Phat
06-09-2017 10:03 AM
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Re: Omni-God
Phat writes: ringo writes: But if there was a God who could prevent evil and didn't, he would be the enemy.
Or perhaps He is waiting on you to do it.
It's a bit late for me to prevent parasitic worms.
Phat writes: Perhaps GOD is silent around you...for a reason. (Apart from your conclusion that He does not exist)
 If somebody doesn't hear me, I talk louder.
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