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Author Topic:   Do We NEED God?
NoNukes
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Message 171 of 224 (796544)
12-31-2016 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Stile
12-29-2016 3:50 PM


Re: Omni-God
But if I was a superhero I would still stop the raping of little girls.
All of them? Would you set the priority for doing stopping rape higher than say arranging peace in the Middle East?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 175 of 224 (796652)
01-02-2017 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by ringo
01-02-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Omni-God
Why would an omnipotent God have priorities?
Because being omnipotent does not necessarily mean you can be in two places at once?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 176 of 224 (796653)
01-02-2017 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by ringo
01-02-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Omni-God
Why would an omnipotent God have priorities?
Because being omnipotent does not necessarily mean you can be in two places at once? Because some things conflict with other things? Because somethings actually are more important that others? Because he has assigned somethings for you to do?
Perhaps your idea of what God is like does not reflect what God is actually like?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 182 of 224 (796671)
01-02-2017 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Tangle
01-02-2017 4:10 PM


Re: Omni-God
Ah, the lessor god. Very human.
Not exactly. There is a popular, but not Biblical supportable view of what God's power is. It is the cartoon view of God that leads to questions such as "Can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it".
On the other hand, the Bible says some specific things about the nature of Gods power.
But hey, have your fun.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 202 of 224 (797169)
01-13-2017 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by ringo
01-05-2017 10:39 AM


Re: Omni-God
I think it clearly does.
Let me be clearer. There are certain things that are impossible regardless of your power level. In particular, there cannot simultaneously be free will and free action and yet have a universe where no one can elect to do evil. Given a choice between worlds where those two concepts are the choice, I would choose to live in the universe with free will.
Now I understand that some folks believe that omnipotence means being able to accomplish everything including things that are logically rather than practically, impossible. I think that idea of what God should be able to do is silly. If that means that God really is not omnipotent, well that's a human term of no real import. God does not make invisible pink mammals that lay eggs. So what?
One of the participants in this discussion insisted in a previous discussion that because the sun is only going to last, say 9 billion years before incinerating the inner planets, means that God is responsible for a great evil. Well, guess what. It is literally impossible to create a star that can last forever; so given a choice between a solar system that lasts a few billion years, and none at all, I prefer the one we have.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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