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Message 91 of 95 (796623)
01-01-2017 7:49 PM
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01-01-2017 12:43 PM


On the topic of nuclear weapons. I don't see how a non scientist could create a nuclear weapon. ...

Really? Once you have the "how it works" information, it is just a matter of building the proper containment and ignition system. A competent mechanical engineer has the knowledge to do that.

... I think it is possible to have ethical problems with scientific research. ...

There are ethical problems with virtually every human endeavor that benefits some people more than others.

... For instance, research into race differences and sex differences and sexuality differences can be harmful/pernicious.

Again, it is not the knowledge itself, but the manner in which it is used.

Or ignored -- the "pray the gay away" people ignore the knowledge we have regarding the reality of homosexuality and try to force it into their delusional reality. Doesn't work. And a lot of people are harmed in the process.

The idea that scientists should be allowed to do what they please because science is neutral holds no water with me.

What knowledge should be taboo then?

A scientist can ask all manner of questions like "how long will it take for a bear to drown in a vat of oil". There can be factual answers to all manner of macabre questions. ...

And to stupid and silly questions, but I don't see how drowning a bear in oil advances the knowledge base. Usually science builds onto the knowledge we have, pursuing answers that have not yet been found.

... There is a process by which "appropriate" questions are selected. This is influenced by biases, ideologies and historical eras etc.

What is it? Who gets to decide?

One problem is whether the scientific paradigm has access to all facts or areas of enquiry ...

... that is available. Indeed, and that is why scientists do background research to get as much pertinent information they can get.

... And so when you get an area like mind which is only available to one person (the subject) science can just dismiss first person evidence or try and down play it's relevance. ...

If it can't be measured it cannot be tested, and that is the foundation of science. All you can do is try to find ways to measure it and quantify it.

... So this at its extreme has led to theorists like Dennet and The Churchland's denying mental states (Eliminative materialism) that we know immediately from direct experience exist.

But how do we compare those direct experiences? How do you measure them, quantify them, test them?

This privacy of mental states leads to a lot of problems including diagnosing mental illness. (I have personal experience here) And people have made allegations of historic child abuse that they can't prove because the main remaining evidence is in their private memories. I personally would love to have CCTV footage of my childhood to show people and to clarify to myself what actually happened. Thankfully I can prove somethings happened to me through collaborative witnesses.

All anecdotal evidence has the same problems.

Cognitive scientists have cast doubt on the validity of memories which is damaging. I know which schools I went to and where I lived as a child and I can prove it by documentary evidence. We have a lot of reliable memories for instance we know the meaning of thousands of words we learnt decades ago and we remember how to get around town and that 2+2=4. ...

Yes you have objective empirical evidence to validate your personal experience.

... Yet cognitive scientist are trying to under mine the reliability of our cognitive states in an attempt (I think) to try and create a false objectivity about mind.

Are they? or are they simply trying to find some means to measure, quantify and test? In order to have a basis to build on for finding out more about how our minds work.

So I agree with Thomas Nagel when he said "Objectivity is a view from nowhere" We are embedded in our minds.

And yet you say "I know which schools I went to and where I lived as a child and I can prove it by documentary evidence" showing that you know there is objective evidence available and that it is not only what is embedded in your mind.

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Message 92 of 95 (796659)
01-02-2017 4:24 PM


not even wrong…
Those responding to the OP in this thread might benefit from perusing this brief rationalwiki article before wasting any more time on this nonsense.
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Message 93 of 95 (810958)
06-03-2017 10:42 AM
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12-28-2016 4:09 PM


Altuism is not in our genes
Altuism as mentioned many times before means love, working together, etc....

Acts of love are done through decision making. A manipulation of our genes to make us automatically altuistic would make us robots... and our Creator refused to make us that way, but gave us CHOICE.

Genes do not dictate our choices as humans.

Yes, behaviours were distributed to each KIND or created life form originally by the Lord, but they can not be altered by mad geneticists, excpet with disastrous results like 'ROUND UP and GMO's

I repeat learned behaviours are not going to get into our genes..... thats untrue, or more frankly said.. a LIE.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 94 of 95 (811027)
06-04-2017 9:54 AM
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Evolution used by various nations for an excuse to go to war.
Thank you for allowing me to again defeat evolution and evolutionists......

Evolution is a tool of the elite to divide and conquer mankind, whether evolutionists want to admit it or not.

Evolution has definite implications on the human mind and human actions.

It helps negate, any thoughts about a higher Moral Judge, in a person's consciousness, so that they can excuse their actions as simply a 'survival of the fittest' atitude that works for them to survive.

It helps their nation or country to subtly or not so subtly put down other people or races or nationalities, so they can establish a reason for going to war against them. They thinking they are a superior race and justified in aggression against any opposition.

Evolution stunts the minds of individuals within a nation, so that they no longer look for cause and effect or the true science behind true laws in the Universe or HERE on Earth. Evolutionary thinking applies only to biology, but they extend their theory to all fields, so that their luck and chance philosphy in biology pervades all their thinking so they can deny DESIGN and INTELLIGENCE in all areas.

Evolution has definite implications. Its not just a mere theory but a devastating theory.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 95 of 95 (811125)
06-05-2017 10:35 AM
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01-02-2017 4:24 PM


Re: not even wrong… - truth in genitals
Love your name, "Answer in Genitals' even though it might be embarassing for non scientific types.... but we scientists and truth seekers understand, that our genes, our DNA is held in our genitals does come out in our offspring.

We humans remain human and have had no beneficial mutations that have changed us from Adam and Eves creation.... sexual DNA is not effected by what a person learns.. again teaching us that learned behaviour does not effect our genes. Every person has to decide for themselves. This cementing the truth about the CHRISTIAN principle of CHOICE.

Id like to talk more about genitals, but many HERE are fearful of their own base, and the nerve endings, and the electricity and mathematics of our design by our sexy CREATOR.

Oh well, the truth is in our genitals..... and its 'not even wrong' its right when the heart and mind are right.

LIJ

David

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Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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