The God That Paul Marketed Over Time.

Phat; your replies never seem to have anything to do with the quote you are responding to. It changes from a conversation to herding kittens.Example: I ask a question. You respond with questions totally unrelated to examples of wisdom that is not of this world.You end with "What does it mean to preach Christ crucified?" and all I can do is say, "I have been asking you to explain that all along. What does that mean?" And again? You do not answer the question or even seem to understand the question.What does "Christ crucified" mean. What is the teaching? How is Christ being crucified any stumbling block to any Jew? Sheesh. Who tells you such nonsense? When someone says something that silly how can you keep from simply laughing in their face?How can you identify the source of this supposed information? How can it be determined that God is communicating through a redactor?More examples. Notice in your quotation Paul still gives no hint of what it is he is marketing. All you are doing is repeating the bumper sticker as though it actually was an explanation. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the quote you are responding to. That is the big perversion of proof text quote mined Christianity. You pick out tiny bits and take them totally out of context. If you look at ALL of 1 Cor though you find that Paul is again and still talking about behavior. Well Phat, Jesus was a Jew and was trying to reform Judaism. Jesus was never a Christian. At the time Paul wrote 1 Cor he was still a Jew and identified as a Jew. Christianity was still primarily just another Jewish sect.And again what does your reply have to do with what is quoted? Is there only one Chapter in Club Christianity? Do all Christians have the same idea of what Christianity is, what God is? Are there both Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian chapters? Are there not Christians who consider the Bible as without error and factual and also Christians that understand the Bible is filled with factual errors, contradictions and ambiguities?What does the evidence show?

I think you are being a horses ass again.If we are talking about your house then it is a reasonable assumption to assume that you have at some time been in it. I can of course think of many exceptions to that assumption, for example it may be your house that you bought based only on pictures but where you have never been in person. I can even think of several ways that your finger prints (not copies but actual items that you have touched) could be in that house even though you have never been there. In fact it would be pretty sad if you could not do so. Now this is a new house, YOUR house, that you have never been in yet, but you did ship your belongings there and the movers followed your directions and put the furniture where you wanted.So now we have your house filled with your furniture that has your fingerprints as well as others fingerprints all around.But wait...there's more.You pissed off one of the movers so he used one of your kitchen knives to kill the other mover leaving the knife with YOUR finger prints in the body to be found in your house where you claim you have never been.Come on. There can be different levels of confidence assigned to evidence but it is not always conclusive.It is conclusive that it is your house.It is conclusive that there is a dead body in your house.It is conclusive that one of your kitchen knives is in the body in your house.It is conclusive that your fingerprints are on the knife in the dead body in your house.It is conclusive that your neighbors heard you arguing with the movers.But it is not conclusive that you have ever been in the house, argued with that mover or killed that mover.I think that is the point NN was making and there is no need to question his honesty when examples supporting his position are the very basics of every crime show who dun it out there.

What?Belief fits where ever anyone wants it to fit. Belief is 100% individual human construct.AbE:The whole point of belief is that it is NOT based on evidence but rather on the wishes of the believer.Someone could believe the person was in the house and did kill the mover even though the fact is that that is totally false.Belief has absolutely nothing to do with reality beyond the fact that a belief is self-referentialy true.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

I think we have both answered your inane examples.I don't think either of us have mentioned kite flyers.If you wish to enter the question of whether or not you are a master kite flyer into the discussion then the answer is "I don't know".So far I cannot see that you have done anything but show your behind.

I most certainly did not say that.What I am saying and in fact provided a full and complete example of, and what NoNukes was talking about and as all can see is the evidence is not always conclusive and that your questioning NoNukes honesty was just another instance of you being a horses ass.

There you go again Phat just taking verses out of context and in doing so totally perverting what Paul was saying and more importantly, what Paul did.The Jews held themselves as a People Apart, a Chosen People.Paul was totally opposed to that as was Jesus.Paul preached that you did not have to keep Kosher, did not have to get circumcised, did not have to hold yourself apart from the rest of society.Jesus got into trouble by reminding the Jews that they were NOT special.Jesus got into trouble by pointing out that God did not reserve blessings for believers but rather sent them to all people.Both Jesus and Paul have said belief is NOT important but behavior is.

But even that does not show belief.All that can be seen are the acts themselves. There is no way to see belief or piety or grace or salvation or being born again or transformation. None of those things show and them what claim those characteristics far too often do not display the traits that might indicate such things.Paul markets his beliefs, but that again means little; it is his actions that actually transmit truths.

In the passage you took out of context Paul does not give even a clue what "truth" he is talking about but the lie he describes sounds a lot like modern Biblical Evangelical Charismatic Christianity; like the folk that market "being born again" and "being transformed" and "being saved" and "being washed in the blood of the Lamb" and all the easy feel good Christianity.

What does that even mean? You've been asked that before yet never really given an answer that was not just more word salad. What does that even mean? You've been asked that before yet never really given an answer that was not just more word salad.How can anyone tell they are eternally in communion with god? What news is even there? How can that be distinguished from the reality of maple flubbergigiedi eternally in communion with humanity is big news indeed and a worthwhile truism? Again...What Communion? What message?You never present a message in any of your posts.

I think I may have even asked you to explain what it means.What does "I will state that I believe the truth to be Jesus Christ...the eternally living truth." even mean?

Look at that.What does "Jesus is the solution to my problems" even mean. How will Jesus solve your problems?What does "Jesus is God made man. He understands everything i go through. " even mean? Jesus may well have been God made man at one time but Jesus is definitely not a man now. And even if Jesus does understand everything humans go through, what does that mean? How would that affect anyone? Yet we all need to solve our problems anyway. How does getting closer to Jesus help? How can Jesus give wisdom (you still need to actually learn) or patience (you still need to endure and accept).

I think I may have even asked that once or twice. But was there an answer? And how do you ask the Holy Spirit?And why not read the Bible as the collection of ancient manuscripts written by humans, selected by humans, edited by humans, redacted by humans and compiled by humans?

Again, you answer with lots of words but no meaning or evidence and in fact using quotes that refute your position.You present a reasonable test though and that is "look and see what the reality of the response is"; see if you get bread or a stone; not what you believe is bread or a stone but what can be verified independently to be either bread or a stone. That is such a cop out answer Phat. The only purpose for having the ability to make decisions based on logic, reason & reality is by definition to make decisions based on those factors not on what some source tells you.And if you wish to assert that the Bible contains His wisdom then you need to explain why that wisdom is often contradictory, factually false and marketing a God that is an immoral tyrant.You most certainly are saying that you must be willfully ignorant.

More like billions of people instead of only millions. And yes, any God we can discuss or describe or communicate with or know is a figment of our imagination.

Yet no one has ever presented a model, method, process, procedure or mechanism to test or verify any of those assertions.