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Faith
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Message 196 of 202 (796863)
01-05-2017 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by edge
01-05-2017 2:28 PM


Re: The decrepitude of both upper and lower blocks of strata
I realize that I made a big mistake. PaulK is right that I was talking about the cross section of the formation and that's irrelevant to this discussion. I'm ashamed of myself. That big a mistake pretty much disqualifies me from the argument, at least for now. I can make other arguments, even arguments about erosion at the surface of the lower section of the strata, but after this big a mistake I should just get off the thread. I apologize to all for creating so much confusion.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 197 of 202 (796864)
01-05-2017 8:40 PM
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01-05-2017 8:31 PM


Re: The decrepitude of both upper and lower blocks of strata
Well said.

But don't leave the thread. Just continue learning any way you can.


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Faith
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Message 198 of 202 (796867)
01-05-2017 9:11 PM
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01-05-2017 8:40 PM


Re: The decrepitude of both upper and lower blocks of strata
It was a dumb mistake, Coyote. I know better. I just wasn't thinking.
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PaulK
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Message 199 of 202 (796870)
01-06-2017 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
01-05-2017 8:31 PM


Re: The decrepitude of both upper and lower blocks of strata
Thank you for having the honesty to admit it.

Perhaps you should be more careful to avoid knee-jerk assertions in the future. This is hardly the only example, although perhaps it is more obviously wrong than most.


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Message 200 of 202 (796872)
01-06-2017 4:00 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
01-05-2017 8:31 PM


Re: The decrepitude of both upper and lower blocks of strata
I realize that I made a big mistake.

Atta-gal! 1000 Reputation points for admitting your mistake.

I can make other arguments, even arguments about erosion at the surface of the lower section of the strata,

I'd like to see those arguments. Please note that I am not posting to this thread, so I won't be commenting. But if you've got an argument, exploring such arguments is what this thread is all about.


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Message 201 of 202 (796873)
01-06-2017 6:06 AM
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01-05-2017 8:31 PM


Re: The decrepitude of both upper and lower blocks of strata
No condescension Faith - just respect for admitting a mistake - a virtue which I hope I share.

One of the things we're seeing over in this country, following the shift to populism, is a tendency amongst many people to believe that this means that it is now legitimate to simply dismiss all scientific work, on any subject, without any attempt to analyse it, on the basis that scientists are all members of the "liberal elite" and therefore to be swept aside. You have always tried to engage with the evidence and the science (often in ways with which we disagree), but you have always made a positive effort to argue your position.

I have great respect for that. I have none for those who would seek to brush away the strength of scientific opinion altogether.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 202 of 202 (796883)
01-06-2017 4:17 PM


Since there seems to have been some confusion here regarding the processes of weathering and erosion, here is a simplified explanation that may help clear up further discussion about unconformities.

http://www.onegeology.org/.../earthprocesses/weathering.html

Alternatively, here is a (more technical) wiki article on shear zones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_zone

A shear zone is a very important structural discontinuity surface in the Earth's crust and upper mantle. It forms as a response to inhomogeneous deformation partitioning strain into planar or curviplanar high-strain zones. Intervening (crustal) blocks stay relatively unaffected by the deformation. ...

I have bolded the part about shear zoned being planar in nature and not rough/irregular such as what we see at Siccar Point, etc.


  
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