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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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You may have heard about the Southern California man who was put under 72-hour psychiatric observation when it was found he owned 100 guns and allegedly had 100,000 rounds of ammunition stored in his home. The house also featured a secret escape tunnel.
By Southern California standards, someone owning 100,000 rounds is considered "mentally unstable". In Michigan, he'd be called "The last white guy still living in Detroit." In Minnesota & Wisconsin, he’d be called ALMOST ready for deer season". In Arizona, he'd be called "An avid gun collector." In Arkansas, he'd be called "A novice gun collector." In Utah, he'd be called "Moderately well prepared," but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of stored food. In Kansas, he'd be "A guy down the road you would want to have for a friend." In Montana, he'd be called "The neighborhood 'go-to' guy." In Alabama, he'd be called "A likely gubernatorial candidate." In Georgia, he'd be called "An eligible bachelor." In North Carolina, Virginia, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky and South Carolina he would be called "A deer hunting buddy." And in Texas he'd just be "Bubba, who's a little short on ammo."Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. |
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If you've ever wondered how people grow up to be Responsible Gun Owners, it's because they have Responsible parents who teach them to be Responsible when they're kids. As is illustrated by this Isolated Incident.
A child may be several years to young to drive, or vote, or drink a beer, but if you get him a lethal weapon for Christmas he'll suddenly become Responsible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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A child may be several years to young to drive, or vote, or drink a beer, but if you get him a lethal weapon for Christmas he'll suddenly become Responsible.
Dragnet: A Gun for Christmas. Remember when TV cops didn't shoot somebody in every episode?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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And just how does NC hold adults responsible in such a case.
From the article:
quote: Interesting. Let's see what the law actually says:
quote: That's right. Someone is potentially guilty of a misdemeanor. Maybe. I'm betting that nobody will be charged. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Another heart-warming tale of Responsibility.
Sheriff's officials say an 83-year-old Florida man fatally shot a woman after her daughter and brother-in-law knocked on his front door while searching for a missing dog. Manatee County Sheriff's officials tell local news outlets Eugene Matthews opened the door about 7 p.m. Tuesday and started firing a handgun. The bullets struck 64-year-old Rebecca Rawson who had stayed in the car parked outside. She was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...d-a-gun-with-tragic-results
Janet Delana was desperate to stop her mentally ill adult daughter from buying another handgun. Finally, Delana called the gun shop a few miles from her home, the one that had sold her daughter a black Hi-Point pistol a month earlier when her last disability check had arrived. The next check was coming. Delana pleaded. Her daughter had been in and out of mental hospitals, she told the store manager, and was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. She had tried to kill herself. Her father had taken away the other gun, but Delana worried that her daughter would go back. I’m begging you, Delana said through tears. I’m begging you as a mother, if she comes in, please don’t sell her a gun. Yeah, this doesn't end well. But hey, $60 profit on the sale of the gun, so that's a silver lining.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1309 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Perhaps not a surprise, but some of the statistics are quite shocking.
- 6% of firearm-related deaths were fatalities from accidental gun injuries.- About 19 children a day die or are medically treated in an emergency department for a gunshot wound in the US. - The study found a 60% increase in gun suicides from 2007-15 - more than 90% of all children ages 14 and up who were killed by guns in high-income countries resided in the US. Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds - BBC News Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Such statistics aren't really meaningful unless we know something about the circumstances.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
There are no circumstances in which children being killed by guns is acceptable.
Such statistics aren't really meaningful unless we know something about the circumstances.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course I said nothing of the sort. Is that the best you can do?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1309 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
So what isn't "meaningful" about 1300 children, dead, per year.
Do you seriously believe that if guns weren't so freely available that there would still be 1300 dead children, due to gunshots/wounds (legally held or otherwise) every year?if the answer to that is no, then you must support better gun control. how many dead children is it worth to have the freedom to carry a gun? what's the number?At what point would you hypothetically say "right, that's enough, take the guns off the streets" is there a threshold? Do you accept any connection whatsoever between the number of guns in circulation and the number of gun deaths?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'd want to know how responsible or irresponsible the owners were, mainly, what kind of training they'd had, and that sort of thing. I don't see how just tallying accidents tells us anything unless we know those things.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1309 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
As Dr A and others have shown throughout this thread, it matters not how "responsible" or "proficient" a gun owner thinks he/she is/isn't.
accidents continue to happen, mistakes continue to be made. As long as there are guns in homes across the US, this will continue to be the case. Not to mention intentional killings/suicides.
quote:are you hinting that you may support restricting gun ownership to those with adequate training? Edited by Heathen, : No reason given. Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm for anything that makes guns safer. Taking away guns from Americans is not an option so whatever makes them safer is what we need.
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