The God That Paul Marketed Over Time.

Muslims worship the God that created Adam and Eve from clay who were cast from Paradise after a temptation to eat forbidden fruit from Satan, who spoke to Abraham, who flooded the world but save Noah, who guided Moses through the wilderness, who made a covenant with Israelites and gave them the Law; denouncing worshippers of idols such as statues of cattle, the God who is written about in the Old Testament and who approves of the message of Jesus, who has the angels Gabriel and Michael. The God of history who is full of mercy and compassion and exorts his followers to kindness, compassion and charity while warning of the dangers of hell for those who indulge in sin. 'the Lord', 'God', the 'Master of the Day of Judgment.'If you are thinking of a different God, then it's probably a different one than Paul marketed over time.

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And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and whatever good you send before for yourselves, you shall find it with God; surely God sees what you do.

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And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

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Yes! whoever submits himself entirely to God and he is the doer of good (to others) he has his reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him nor shall he grieve.

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Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth, and when He decrees an affair, He only says to it, Be, so there it is.

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Surely We have sent you with the truth as a bearer of good news and as a warner, and you shall not be called upon to answer for the companions of the flaming fire.

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Those to whom We have given the Book read it as it ought to be read. These believe in it; and whoever disbelieves in it, these it is that are the losers.

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And who forsakes the religion of Abraham but he who makes himself a fool, and most certainly We chose him in this world, and in the hereafter he is most surely among the righteous.

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When his Lord said to him, Be one who submits to God, he said: I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

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Say: We believe in God and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

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(Receive) the baptism of God, and who is better than God in baptising? and Him do we serve.

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Say: Do you dispute with us about God, and He is our Lord and your Lord, and we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds, and we are sincere to Him.

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Nay! do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or God? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from God? And God is not at all heedless of what you do.

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And your God is one God! there is no god but He;

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O men! eat the lawful and good things out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Satan; surely he is your open enemy.

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Of course, you think they are wrong about some things - otherwise you'd be a Muslim. But then you think the Jews and Unitarians and Catholics are wrong too. People can be wrong about humans too. I bet you think the 'leftists' are wrong about certain facts regarding Trump - but it would be absurd to think that a 'leftist' and a 'rightist' are talking about different people just because they think they portray the history or character differently.

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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death

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If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die

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Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die:

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Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death:

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Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.

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A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones

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And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

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And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

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And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself;

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Just like Allah. Same with Yahweh, then. Not isn't.

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The gardens of perpetual abode which they will enter along with those who do good from among their parents and their spouses and their offspring; and the angels will enter in upon them from every gate:

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Exactly. When looked at in context, Allah requests much the same murder and mayhem as Yahweh does for the same kinds of reasons and requires staying of the hand and mercy in much the same conditions.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

Yes, and I said that in context that's not the case.

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Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

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Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

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And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

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but if they desist {persecuting you}, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

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Read in full context, Allah is telling the Muslims AT THE TIME to kill the people, who AT THE TIME were trying to kill all the Muslims, drive them from their homes and destroy the word of God. Allah says that any time IN GENERAL people do this, they are to be fought against (with moderation) until they stop their evil actions. Killing others is permissible, in much the same as the OT, to prevent the victory of evil:

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So they put them to flight by Allah's permission. And David slew Goliath, and Allah gave him kingdom and wisdom, and taught him of what He pleased. And were it not for Allah's repelling some men with others, the earth would certainly be in a state of disorder; but Allah is Gracious to the creatures.

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Well no, I was (mostly) quoting the Law, which was given to Jacob and reiterated to Moses and others. The Law was not just given to the nation of Israel, it was given to Jacob and his descendants. They applied to Moses who never entered what would become the Kingdom of Israel, and they applied to Jews who were exiled from the Kingdom of Israel. They applied to Paul when he was in Anatolia. You seem to have, as ever, confused the covenant with the Law.The covenant also wasn't to the nation of Israel but to the descendants of Jacob. The covenant was for Jacob and his descendants to obey the Law and in return God will protect and elevate the descendants of Jacob (there were several covenants, so I'm just covering the most relevant one (ie., the Israelites)). This isn't to say the Law doesn't apply to everyone else (it does), it's just that the descendants of Jacob had a contract with God which provided them with rewards for obeying it not just punishments for disobeying it.Also, the bit about sieging a city and killing all the men inside and enslaving the women and children is not part of the Law. Well actually, there is. The people the Koran says you should kill are idolaters who are trying to kill Muslims, until they stop trying to kill Muslims. The people the Bible says you should kill are people who are picking up sticks on Saturday (Numbers 15:32-36, which does not occur in the nation of Israel). Oh wait, the Bible is worse. Because we've read the Bible and the Koran? I see, so the Garden of Eden (ie., Paradise) is and was a place of carnal pleasures. I'll keep that in mind. Well in that case:

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The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls.

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The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long.

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The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits thick.

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The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass.

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The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst

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The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

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I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

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The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.

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Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

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But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven

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Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

Wrong. Allah/God's moral law is that you show them kindness and deal with them justly. Wrong, they are very comparable. Then stop ignoring the context or be charged with hypocrisy.

Deal with the context, hypocrite.

The whole thing is the proposed word of God.see Message 224 for the context you have not addressed.