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Modulous
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Message 817 of 892 (796914)
01-07-2017 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 815 by Faith
01-07-2017 9:52 AM


Assange said it wasn't Russia
How would he know this?
Now there is a conflict between two sources.
The consensus of the CIA.
Fidelis Cybersecurity
Crowdstrike
Mandiant
Which one has the truth?
If I learned anything from the right wing about Assange it is that he is a sex crazed cult leader of a traitorous and criminal organisation in 'hiding' from the US government in 'Ecuador' because of his attacks on the CIA and endangering the lives of intelligence agents and other servicemen.
If I learned anything from the left wing about Assange it is that Putin has used and defended him for years, and essentially gave him a job on RT and that despite saying he has damaging information regarding the Russian government, has not released it.

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Message 819 of 892 (796947)
01-08-2017 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 818 by Faith
01-08-2017 6:47 AM


At the moment Assange is in favor with the Right
Yes. They favour him when he is supporting their narrative, they call him a sex mad raping traitor when he does not. I think there's a word for this inconsistency isn't there?
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The latest round of publications of leaked classified U.S. documents through the shady organization called Wikileaks raises serious questions about the Obama administration’s incompetent handling of this whole fiasco.
First and foremost, what steps were taken to stop Wikileaks director Julian Assange from distributing this highly sensitive classified material especially after he had already published material not once but twice in the previous months?
He is an anti-American operative with blood on his hands. His past posting of classified documents revealed the identity of more than 100 Afghan sources to the Taliban. Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders?
--Sarah Palin, 2010.
and it was in an interview by Sean Hannity that he said the Russians weren't involved
Right - but how would he know? It's not like Russian agents go around telling people they are Russian agents, so how would Assange know the source? How would a man living in a small room for the past several years have better information than the CIA?
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...including the names of 100 Afghans who are helping us privately identify Taliban leaders...all their lives have been put in jeapordy
--Sean Hannity 2010.
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a guy who sits around, sleeping on other people's couches, changing his hair colour in order to avoid our surveillance is bringing American diplomacy - of this great country - to its heels. It's just an incredible sign of weakness.
-- Marc Thiessen, 2010 on the Hannity Show
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why didn't they go after this guy? Why didn't they arrest him? Why didn't they stop this from being published when they had so much time to do it?
-- Sean Hannity, 2010
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We can stop pirating of music and Hollywood movies but we can't stop this guy from stealing classified documents that put people's lives at risk?
-- Sean Hannity, 2010
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The 2nd thing that I think you did for America, which I think is very important, is you exposed how corrupt our government is, and I'll get to that in a second.
-- Sean Hannity, 2016
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You view yourself as a journalist. Information came to you and you disseminated that information because you felt the public had a right to know.
-- Sean Hannity, 2016
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Understood. And my big fear 10 years ago, which you and I discussed the last time you were on my radio show when I wanted you arrested. I said. Because I felt you would release potential information that would result in methods and people potentially dying because there is so much, in terms of covert operations, people working under cover, you purposely choose not to publish that information. Correct?
-- Sean Hannity, 2016
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And that was my argument about why I think America owes you a debt of gratitude
-- Sean Hannity, 2016
Hrm.

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Modulous
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Message 821 of 892 (796976)
01-08-2017 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 820 by Faith
01-08-2017 6:43 PM


He's not the only one who pointed out that there is no evidence in the report, just a lot of assertions.
To clarify: It's a declassified document, I've read it and it seems primarily to be aimed at informing people of signatures to look out for and basic precautions to inhibit the tactics the suspected groups from succeeding.
It's not the actual CIA report that Trump and Obama have access to.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Message 826 of 892 (796985)
01-09-2017 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 822 by Riggamortis
01-08-2017 11:52 PM


Re: Evidence of Russia hacking
So is there any actual evidence being presented of Russia doing the hacking or are we just to accept it on faith that the CIA wouldn't lie?
Well the CIA lies, pretty sure that's in their job description
I believe the evidence is the signatures that point to the groups performing the hack that the CIA has been monitoring as probably RIS, and one of the key figures is suspected of being a Russian agent. But the bulk is spies talking to contacts on the ground, and for obvious reasons that isn't likely to come out for a good long time.
The CIA is unlikely to deceive the world as a means to support the DNC and there probably isn't overt profit in upsetting Russia but then - they are sneaky bastards and they may have a completely different game plan in mind.
Or they may be making mistakes or falling for evidence someone wanted them to find.

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