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Author Topic:   A scientist talks on the invention of email, GMOs and peer review
Faith 
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Message 1 of 6 (797059)
01-10-2017 3:26 PM


I've been listening to a segment of Infowars with David Knight interviewing a fascinating scientist with four degrees who has quite a range of experience in many aspects of the scientific world, Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai who discusses a number of issues in the interview:
1) how he invented email at age fourteen and it was stolen from him. I'm sure this has some eyes rolling if the history is not familiar, but he's very credible.
2) and his scientific work in biology that has shown dangers in GMO food, which ought to be good for some EvC ranting.
3) I was also fascinated to hear from him how Einstein objected to the process of peer review, since peers aren't in a position to assess a truly new scientific invention or argument. (Ayyadurai's stuff is peer-reviewed by the way.)
I expect the reaction at EvC to be first of all some kind of ad hominem debunkery based first on the fact that the source is Infowars and second on prejudice against the content which will brand Ayyadurai as some kind of fraud without bothering to look at the interview. I hope for better but we'll see.
Unfortunately there's more than one topic here, the stealing of somebody's invention (email), the dangers of GMOs and how the public is deceived about that -- he goes very specifically into the science of GMOs and why it's dangerous; and the limits of the value of peer review.
I gather that Infowars does a four-hour broadcast in hourly segments hosted by a variety of contributors, starting at 11 central, which is 9 am for me, and then repeats the whole four-hour block around the clock until the next day's broadcast. So if anyone wants to hear Ayyadurai his segment should be repeated this afternoon at 5 central, 3 PST etc.
I'd like to get all these issues out there, and see what people have to say about them, so it's hard to boil this down to a single one. Also I'm in no position to discuss the scientific questions, although I probably absorbed enough from the interview to keep up the discussion on that level.
In other words I don't know how to present this as a new topic or where it should be posted. Thanks for advice etc.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days)
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From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 4 of 6 (797085)
01-11-2017 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Admin
01-11-2017 8:48 AM


The guy isn't stupid. He would have known about email precursors and taken all that into account, meaning his claim was about inventing a different form of email that became standard. Unfortunately I didn't get to listen to the interview a second time as I'd intended to, and wasn't listening carefully enough the first time to grasp his evidence. So I'm not going to try arguing that topic unless I get more information.
I don't think I care enough about the peer review comment to make a thread out of it. There really isn't any more to it than that Einstein objected to it anyway.
As for GMOs I've been considering putting together a Coffee House OP on it as Nosy suggested, but I think I'd have to know more about Ayyadurai's study to do that. I may yet do something along those lines, or may end up just abandoning this proposal.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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