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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I disagree somewhat about what is sad.
il Donald really has read the reactions of his support base nearly perfectly. Back to the nearly soon. First, I would expect any intelligence agency worth it's salt to gather as much compromising information as possible about all potential people in power. That of course includes those in power in their own nation as well as those in power or positions of influence in other nations; friend or foe. That's simply their job description. Ask J Edgar. Second, Trump was quite right when he said he could literally shot someone on the street and not lose any support. His base would almost certainly find that the Duke's testamony that He never shot nobody what didn't need shootin was adequate defense. We have had lots of Presidents that have also had affairs even while in office so what I find really sad is that exposure of salacious videos might actually get the President in trouble with his base. His base seems so out of touch with reality that stuff like screwing around would be an issue while constant lying, misrepresentation, prejudice, bigotry, racism, ultra nationality, financial incompetency, narcissism, cruelty and dishonesty don't even ruffle a feather. And that may be where il Donald misread his support base.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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If one were to assume, for the sake of argument, that the prostitutes story were to be correct, why on earth is he worrying ? Past experience suggests his supporters would simply applaud him for it.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Reportedly folks at 4chan concocted a story about Trump in Russia and fed it to buzzfeed. Somehow it got into a CIA report and was being taken seriously by CNN. CNN has since pulled their story.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unfortunately it serves somebody's political interests to put out a disgusting rumor about a hated opponent. Everything I've seen on it this morning so far calls it out for its absolute lack of evidence and other telltale signs of being a fabrication. I'm hoping Trump may be able to sue for defamation.
The anti-Trump people haven't stopped trying to bring him down since he started rising in the primaries and they'll probably keep it up throughout his Presidency if they don't succeed in assassinating him. Plans to disrupt the inauguration are next on the agenda as I understand it. OR, hope against hope, maybe he'll actually be able to win over some of his enemies and pull the nation together as he's often said is his aim. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
His narcissism is the basis for his foreign policy. If a world leader says nice things about Trump, he will bend over backwards to do whatever they want. Putin is a perfect example of this. He doesn't care if he uses lies to attack people that are critical of his policies. Today's policies are tomorrow's garbage. He thinks the best path is whatever he feels like that day. Trump thinks women are sex objects, and little else. Those are a few off the top of my head. Interesting that your list is nothing but a list of snarky opinions that purport to read the man's mind, not a single fact. The only one I give a little credence to is his attitude toward women, but since I hate political correctness more than I object to sexism the credence isn't much. I thought Gavin McInnes' comments (on that video I posted on the Humor thread) about the "locker room" story about grabbing women by the crotch, were an interesting debunkery of the usual take on that. He said it was taken out of context, that Trump was describing how groupies behave, and expressing astonishment that they just allow men to grab them like that at will. I haven't checked this out myself but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out it's true, just because there's such a massive leftist project to malign the man, which your snarky mindreading list fits right into. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: I've heard this but have seen nothing I would describe that way. His Twitter outrage against SNL skits is a perfect example. You never saw Obama being outraged by the same thing. Trump's recent raging fit against Meryl Streep is another good example.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Donald Trump has claimed he's okay with same-sex marriage, calling it settled law by way of SCOTUS decisions. Do we take him at his word, or do we 'look into his heart' as KellyAnne Conway suggests, and try to divine his true feelings on the matter? Do you, Faith, think you know his mind on this matter, as you seem to know his mind on so many other things? He's said he's OK with gay marriage and I've said I wish he wasn't. I haven't changed my opinion.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: Interesting that your list is nothing but a list of snarky opinions that purport to read the man's mind, not a single fact. Trumps own words: 1. Narcissism and foreign policy:
quote: 2. Does he still want to throw women in prison for getting abortions? Is he still appointing a special prosecutor to go after Hilary Clinton? Is he still arresting all these criminal immigrants within the first hour of his presidency, as he stated in his speech on immigration? I could go on with hours listing his flip-flops. 3. Multiple women have come forward describing how Trump has assaulted them. These aren't opinions. These are facts.
The only one I give a little credence to is his attitude toward women, but since I hate political correctness more than I object to sexism the credence isn't much. Why do you hate the idea that people shouldn't be proud of saying racist, hurtful, and misogynistic things? Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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The only one I give a little credence to is his attitude toward women, but since I hate political correctness more than I object to sexism the credence isn't much. So you would prefer we say exactly what we think about you rather than being polite? Considering how thin skinned you and Trump are, I think what you really mean is it's ok for you to be assholes, but everyone who disagrees with you should be politically correct. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And that is even more true for "pizzagate" which you refuse to talk about - even though it is promoted by your trusted alt media. So long as you refuse to condemn that, your position here can hardly be seen as a moral stand.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know enough about "pizzagate" to have an opinion about how true or false it may be. I heard bits and pieces of the original claims and that's it. It's certainly not obviously false. I can only wait to see if more comes out about it.
Yes I'm biased, I believe that what's false about Trump could be true about Clinton and her cronies, yes indeed. I also think that as a general policy the left accuses their opponents of what they themselves are guilty of. Nevertheless pizzagate hasn't been proved. I'll let you know when I know enough to have a solid opinion one way or the other. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
"Pizzagate" is certainly more obviously false than these rumours about Trump. Those, at least, fit in with the way that the Russians are known to have operated, and are not so far out of character for Trump. Surely the "secret tunnels" were a giveaway (at least to anyone who remembers the ridiculous extremes of the Satanic Ritual abuse panic of the 1980s)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Reportedly folks at 4chan concocted a story about Trump in Russia and fed it to buzzfeed ... Snopes: Memos leaked to the media claiming that Trump was blackmailed by Russian operatives are not verified. still says "unproven" and lists the following sources:
quote: Note that the Buzzfeed article comes months after the Mother Jones report.
quote: Also see What is Watersportsgate? Five things we know - and five we don't - about Donald Trump's prostitute scandal quote: Time will tell whether this is fake, a half-truth, or the real enchilada. This may become Trump's Benghazi. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Yes I'm biased, I believe that what's false about Trump could be true about Clinton and her cronies, yes indeed. I also think that as a general policy the left accuses their opponents of what they themselves are guilty of. I've asked that discussion in this thread be civil and rational. The "rational" part of my request means providing factual support and logical argument for your positions. If you're just going to repeat unsupported biased opinions then please get off the thread. But please do not post here about Pizzagate. I know you didn't introduce the topic, but it isn't on-topic for this thread. It more belongs in the The 2016 United States Presidential Election thread. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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caveat: this source is from RawStory
quote: Now I don't know about you, but I tend to think BBC is a fairly impartial mainstream media news, and that anyone affiliated with them would not want to put out information that was fake if they valued their job. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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