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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: In reformed Judaism, behavior would count more than it would in evangelical Christianity. If so, then Evangelical Christianity is not following Jesus; if what you say is true then Evangelical Christianity is the Goats in Matthew 25.
Phat writes: Perhaps the question is what value do belief and trust have (if any) over behavior? Once you bring up "value" you need to start talking in measurable things. How do you weigh belief & trust?
Phat writes: Also...why is it that belief and trust...if embraced, do not lead to better behavior. And the answer is indicated in the issue just above. Belief & trust are imponderables. They are by definition incapable of being weighed or resolved or tested. They do not lead to anything other than faith and belief. Work has value. Deeds can be measured. Jesus did not say trust that the hungry will get fed, trust that the naked will get clothed, believe that the homeless will be sheltered, believe the weak will be protected, have faith that the sick will be healed and have faith that the sorrowful will get comforted; Jesus said feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort the sorrowful, shelter the homeless, heal the sick, protect the weak, teach the children. Works can be measured. Works have results. Works actually do things.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
jar writes: And I pointed out that your post did not show that Christians behaved differently than any others.Stop and think. How does the study you used show that Christians are more charitable than others? First off, the point wasn't essentially about you being right or wrong. It is just that you post your assertions as fact, saying that the evidence and all the statistics back you up without posting any evidence or statistics, and then over several posts refuse to provide any. It is the sort of thing you delight in criticizing others for. However, I'd suggest that just maybe you're going to the wrong church. In spending time with those in my church I see people committed to their marriages, and are committed to serving the community and the world with both time and money. I realize that is anecdotal and doesn't mean much in the larger picture but my personal experience in living and attending church in a variety of locations in Canada is that there is a marked difference in the behaviour and attitudes of those from the church group of friends and my secular group of friends. As far as the study I posted. it points out that the areas in the US that are more inclined to be religious, out give the non-religious areas by a fairly large margin, including even to secular charitable organizations. You can make what you like out of the study.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Jewish Encyclopedia writes: Words written by a mysterious hand on the wall of Belshazzar's palace, and interpreted by Daniel as predicting the doom of the king and his dynasty. The incident is described as follows: Once when King Belshazzar was banqueting with his lords and drinking wine from the golden vessels of the Temple of Yhwh, a man's hand was seen writing on the wall certain mysterious words. Frightened by the apparition, the king ordered his astrologers to explain the inscription; but they were unable to read it. Daniel was then summoned to the royal palace; and the king promised him costly presents if he would decipher the inscription. Daniel read it "Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin" and explained it to mean that God had "numbered" the kingdom of Belshazzar and brought it to an end; that the king had been weighed and found wanting; and that his kingdom was divided and given to the Medes and Persians (Dan. v. 1-28). So does the lesson have meaning for us today? After all our days are numbered. Have we been weighed according to what we do?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Distancing Himself, maybe, but distancing US, no. Do you seriously advocate that Christians in a democracy should distance themselves from government?
Rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's sounds to me like Jesus' distancing Himself from the things of government rather than saying anything about how government should be run. Faith writes:
As I said, He addresses OUR ATTITUDE toward the state. He said that WE should acknowledge the state.
As I said Jesus did not address the state, He did not address government at all.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's like asking what I have against death other than that it's fatal. What do you have against belief, apart from the unpardonable sin known as lack of evidence? How many fatal flaws do you need?
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
how can you possibly equate belief with death? Your example does not compute!
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I didn't "equate" belief with death. how can you possibly equate belief with death? Your example does not compute! You asked what I have against belief - apart from lack of evidence. Again, that's like asking what I have against jumping off a cliff - apart from breaking every bone in my body. Or asking what I have against serial killers - apart from them killing all of those people. Or asking what I have against losing my job - except that I'll be out on the street begging for spare change. When there's a really, really bad consequence for something, why do I need a reason "apart" from that?
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
double post
Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again... |
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Paul is definitely worshipped by the slanted perverse out of tune Protestants of today. They put his words before the Lords words, because the two differ so much, and the church wants to be accepted and be part of the state religion, and be protected by the state.
Paul was nationalistic, and Jewsih oriented. He wanted success and numbers at any cost and Paul wanted to be the leader, when Jesus was suppose to lead them not Paul. Jesus words and Spirit were suppose to lead them and not Pauls comporomising contradictory words that confuse and make Christians doubt and become spineless whimps.Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
I was leary of writing this to such a unruly crowd, composed of so many disbelievers, but seeing some are interested in this true topic, let us proceed and let the chips fall where they may.
besides it might answer a few questions of true believers who got fed up with the false church system and slid into false other religions like evolution, atheism, and the like. Lets blast the church system as Jesus di and see what happens and what common ground we can attain.... in truth, experiences, sscriptures etc.. I wrote these articles on Pauls false writings... that opposed Jesus' Obey Christ's Commandments not Pauls(by Quincey) Moses Prophesy against IsraelAll Israel will Not be Saved Only Faith Liberates How to Get Faith Group Faith versus Individual Faith Group Faith Geneology means Nothing Forget Bloodlines One People of God not Two Worshipping Scripture What is Scripture David Jay Jordan Paul versus Jesus Home - Prophecy - Sexual Anti-widow Paul Paul's Dress Code versus the Lord's Fleeing Paul's Fornication Paul's Contradictory Flesh Verses Paulian Sexual Church Background Paul promoted NationalismWives submit to Husbands Fallacy Sometimes Paul wrote his opinion rather than the Lord's ..... 1Corinthians 7:6 But I speak this bypermission,and NOT of commandment. And yet church people worship His opinionsabout women, inequality, anti- sexuality, nationalism and patriotism as if they were the WORD OF GOD Paul favored Israel, Jesus did not Paul was a great apostle in being chosen to reach the Gentiles as a missionary, but his words and opinions are not to be worshipped as law when they contradict what the Lord said and did. Home Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So does the lesson have meaning for us today? After all our days are numbered. Have we been weighed according to what we do? Tonto and the Lone Ranger were in danger. They were down to the last Silver Bullet and surrounded by thousands of Apaches. "Well, old friend," said the Lone Ranger, "It looks like we are doomed." "What do you mean 'We' Paleface?" replied Tonto. You need to understand the Book of Daniel. First, in the Jewish Canon it is NOT among the major Prophets and is in fact part of the Ketuvim, inspired writings but not prophecy. It is a classic apocalyptic writing, a divided work with a series of political court tales followed by a series of "End Times" narratives. Does it have meaning? Well yes, we can likely find meaning in almost anything. Is it prophetic? Hardly. And if it is, it is only because people desire to make it prophetic. But can anything be learned from it? Sure. A reminder that each of us should examine what WE do Individually is always wise.
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2357 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Jar, the denier, says Daniel is not a major prophet nor even a prophet....
Why because the Book of Daniel, is mathematical exact truths, that absolutely prove Jesus was the Messiah, and that prophecy shows the DESIGN of TIME. Both evolutionists and their sister religion atheism hate this truth and fight it to the hilt, with denials and censorship. For that and those prophecies from Daniel were censored from being discussed HERE, because of its exactness and because it is the basic timeframes for all prophecies of the exact and scientific and mathematical DESIGNER of TIME and designer of all THINGS and ALL CREATIONS. SEE EvC Forum: Daniel 9, 1st and 2nd Comings of Jesus Prophesied exactly Mene Mene Teckel Uppharsin means, Jar, 'You have been weighed in the balance and have been found wanting' The almighty babylonians were destroyed in their feasting that very night... the writing was on the wall... and the Lord took them. How very appropriate that the Lord brought this truthful saying to your mind Jar. It shall be fulfilled. Do consider repenting and changing your atitude and behaviour. Your choice, your responsibility, your feasting and mockery will not last forever. IHS David Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...
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