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vimesey
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Message 166 of 4573 (797569)
01-24-2017 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Coyote
01-23-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Is that before or after tax ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 167 of 4573 (797572)
01-24-2017 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by NoNukes
01-23-2017 8:04 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
NoNukes writes:
So we disagree. As long as there are no ethical issues involved, I have no problem with a former politician, or anybody else making tons of money.
Obama became rich while still a politician, not a "former politician." Regardless of the path to wealth, politics should not be a means to riches. Money's influences are corrupting. Again, the Senate is all multi-millionaires. Just a rare statistical anomaly? I don't think so.
--Percy

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Message 168 of 4573 (797573)
01-24-2017 6:38 AM
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01-23-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Coyote writes:
Trump is reportedly accepting $1 per year.
His isolation from his businesses is in question (from which he makes far more than the presidential salary of $400,000/year), and he apparently has no intention of releasing his tax returns.
In related news, the Trump hotel in Washington D.C. lease stipulates that no "elected official of the government ... shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom." (The Trump hotel, emoluments and conflicts)
The problem isn't that conflicts like this abound. It's that Trump doesn't care. He'll have to be forcibly separated from entanglements like this (which likely abound) in the courts. As Trump would tweet, "Sad."
--Percy

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Message 169 of 4573 (797575)
01-24-2017 7:11 AM
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01-24-2017 6:38 AM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
The problem isn't that conflicts like this abound. It's that Trump doesn't care. He'll have to be forcibly separated from entanglements like this (which likely abound) in the courts. As Trump would tweet, "Sad."
Yeah, if I inhereted 3 million USD or could get a 3 million USD interest free loan from my parents 20 or 30 years ago; I really wouldn't care what happened today.
He's never had to work one day in his life. To me it is sad that anyone who got that could say anything like he's 'working' for workers.
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Message 170 of 4573 (797576)
01-24-2017 7:34 AM


A Good Question
Concerning the blatant lies told by the Trump press secretary about the inauguration crowd sizes the Australian Financial News writes (Truth, Lies and the Trump Administration):
quote:
As Robert Moore, the Washington correspondent for ITN, puts it: "If the White House press secretary says things that we know to be demonstrably false, why will we trust him on North Korea, Russia, Iran [and the] war on Isis?" That is not just a good question — it is a vital one.
This must be some sort of record for a bad start by a new presidential administration.
--Percy
PS: About the link, to view it you need to either turn off Javascript or subscribe.

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Message 171 of 4573 (797585)
01-24-2017 9:04 AM
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01-23-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
He is making more money from the business contacts. Business is booming at his trump hotel, since all these foreign dignitaries are suddenly booking there.

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RAZD
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Message 172 of 4573 (797589)
01-24-2017 9:32 AM
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01-23-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Given all this, I think $50,000 a year would be more than enough compensation.
Trump is reportedly accepting $1 per year.
Chump change and propaganda, but how would you know if he never publishes his tax returns? Only a fool believes what he says, I'll wait for actual behavior.
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Message 173 of 4573 (797591)
01-24-2017 10:07 AM


Trump breaks constitution on first day. Now faces lawsuit.
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Trump faces lawsuit for violating Constitution 2 days after taking oath
The suit alleges that Trump is in violation of the Emoluments Clause, which prohibits federal office holders from receiving any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, does regular business with foreign governments, presenting them with an opportunity to launder unconstitutional gifts to the president. A bank controlled by the Chinese government, for example, rents office space in Trump Tower. And the Embassy of Kuwait reportedly moved an event from the Four Seasons hotel to a hotel owned by Trump after members of the Trump Organization pressured the ambassador to hold the event at the hotel owned by the president-elect.
Although Trump announced at a press conference prior to his inauguration that he would take some steps to insulate himself from his company, Norm Eisen, former chief ethics counsel to President Obama and Richard Painter, who held the same job under President George W. Bush, released a statement saying that these steps are insufficient.
So he either doesn't know, doesn't understand or doesn't care about the constitution.
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Message 174 of 4573 (797596)
01-24-2017 10:56 AM
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01-23-2017 8:59 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Coyote writes:
Trump is reportedly accepting $1 per year.
Employee: I wish you'd pay me what I'm worth.
Employer: I'd like to but there are minimum wage laws.

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Message 175 of 4573 (797605)
01-24-2017 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by ramoss
01-23-2017 11:26 AM


I will say there was a section in the CIA speech he gave that really really has me concerned.
I already knew that he was way out of his depth -- the Dunning Kruger effect gone mad -- so this did not raise any additional concerns.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 176 of 4573 (797615)
01-24-2017 1:15 PM
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01-24-2017 10:56 AM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Coyote writes:
Trump is reportedly accepting $1 per year.
Employee: I wish you'd pay me what I'm worth.
Employer: I'd like to but there are minimum wage laws.
All elected officials should work for minimum wage, but I don't think TrumpleThinSkin is worth 1 cent a year.
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Message 177 of 4573 (797621)
01-24-2017 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Percy
01-24-2017 7:34 AM


Re: A Good Question
Trump's lying is incessant. In his meeting with Congress yesterday he claimed that 3-5 million illegal votes were cast for Hillary, and he repeated the crowd size claims that his spokesperson had backed away from.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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Message 178 of 4573 (797622)
01-24-2017 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by RAZD
01-24-2017 1:15 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
All elected officials should work for minimum wage, but I don't think TrumpleThinSkin is worth 1 cent a year.
Nobody should work for minimum wage.
Seriously, what kinds of candidates could you attract with such a policy? Wouldn't it be only the rich folk who can afford to take a pay-free sabbatical? I understand the problem with politicians being overpaid, but between your policy of underpaying, and Percy's policy that they shouldn't write books or do speaking tours after being president, just who other than already rich folks could afford to be president?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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Message 179 of 4573 (797624)
01-24-2017 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by NoNukes
01-24-2017 2:21 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
Seriously, what kinds of candidates could you attract with such a policy? Wouldn't it be only the rich folk who can afford to take a pay-free sabbatical? ...
They are the ones in charge of setting the minimum wage, so I am pretty confident that they wouldn't starve.
Actually I believe that politicians pay should be approved by the people they represent, on the ballot.
... but between your policy of underpaying, and Percy's policy that they shouldn't write books or do speaking tours after being president, just who other than already rich folks could afford to be president?
Perhaps the politicians should be audited annually to show that their earning are honest and not graft or corruption. That is the concern, yes?
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Message 180 of 4573 (797626)
01-24-2017 3:11 PM
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01-24-2017 2:21 PM


Re: Reaction: The Trump Inauguration
NoNukes writes:
...and Percy's policy that they shouldn't write books or do speaking tours after being president,...
I never said anything like that. I noted the flaw in our system in the way it allows so many to become rich from a career in politics. The root of the problem is the value of political influence.
--Percy

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