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marc9000
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Message 241 of 4573 (798098)
01-30-2017 9:29 PM
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01-29-2017 7:54 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
And curiously the Republican Party is nothing like it was in the 60's either.
What are some examples of differences in the Republican party of the 60's versus today?
Here are a few of the Democrats;
*Someone with an open fondness for a communist dictator like Fidel Castro (Bernie Sanders) wouldn't have gotten anywhere near a Democrat presidential nomination in the 60's.
*There was no EPA in the 60's, no global warming / climate change movement.
*There was no attempt to involve the government with health care in the 60's.
*There were no filthy mouth Hollywood celebrities like Madonna spouting in front of an open mike without condemnation from the 60's Democrats.
*60's Democrats weren't pushing for special rights for gays, trannies, foreigners from enemy nations, abortion seekers, to near the extent they do today.
*A 60's Democrat said "ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". No current Democrat is going to get near that.
Republican examples? What's different about you since the 60's? I'm about the same - my political views haven't changed. By the way, the Constitution hasn't changed either.

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Message 242 of 4573 (798101)
01-30-2017 10:01 PM
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01-30-2017 9:29 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
There was no EPA in the 60's, no global warming / climate change movement.
The EPA was created by Nixon (a Republican), and began operations in 1970. So maybe not in the 60s, but close.
There was already concern about increasing CO2 levels in the 60s. I first read about that while in graduate school (60s).
There was no attempt to involve the government with health care in the 60's.
Medicare started in 1965, signed into law by Johnson (a Democrat).

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Message 243 of 4573 (798103)
01-30-2017 10:05 PM


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The topic is the Trump presidency to be discussed in a rational and fact-based manner. I'll be asking those who can't abide this request to leave the thread.
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Message 244 of 4573 (798105)
01-30-2017 10:56 PM
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01-30-2017 9:29 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
What are some examples of differences in the Republican party of the 60's versus today?
The thing that pops into my head first is the fundamentalist christianization had not occurred yet. Beyond that I would have to think about it for a while. Thinking about republicans is not something I relish these days.
marc9000 writes:
Here are a few of the Democrats;
*Someone with an open fondness for a communist dictator like Fidel Castro (Bernie Sanders) wouldn't have gotten anywhere near a Democrat presidential nomination in the 60's.
I suppose that is probably correct. I wasn't aware of his fondness for Castro. I have always thought Castro was an asshole and that communism is a shitty system to live under.
*There was no EPA in the 60's, no global warming / climate change movement.
Well, the environmental movement was certainly becoming active and the EPA was signed into law by Nixon in 1970. The global warming/ climate change signal was not recognized yet. It wasn't until a fairly high density of weather recording stations, computers to process the results and enough climate watching satellites were put in orbit that the data became clear. I remember an editor of a magazine, Research & Development, that we got in the lab I worked in while I was in school, used to write that he thought we were on the brink of another ice age.
*There was no attempt to involve the government with health care in the 60's.
This is just incorrect. Medicare was signed into law in 1965.
*There were no filthy mouth Hollywood celebrities like Madonna spouting in front of an open mike without condemnation from the 60's Democrats.
Well, I like filthy mouthed celebrities although I don't know what she said that you didn't like.
I guess you don't remember Woodstock.
*60's Democrats weren't pushing for special rights for gays, trannies, foreigners from enemy nations, abortion seekers, to near the extent they do today.
Yeah, that's too bad, but I guess they were busy trying to help the African Americans get the rights they were entitled to as citizens that are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
I am unaware of any special rights being pushed for anyone you listed today. You may not like it, but all citizens in the United States of America are entitled to the same rights as enumerated in the Constitution.
*A 60's Democrat said "ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". No current Democrat is going to get near that.
You know, that is just a disgusting example of un-American character assassination. Millions of us vote and pay taxes and serve our country and love our country and want to see our country get better and better, so don't you dare imply that your side are the only ones who love this country!
What's different about you since the 60's?
I didn't realize how lucky I am to be an American back then, I know now. I hadn't been anywhere or done anything back in the 60's. I have been a lot of places and seen how lucky we are. I've raised children and have grandchildren now. I was scared I would be a failure, but I've had a great life. My politics have changed a lot.
By the way, the Constitution hasn't changed either.
Well, except for the 26th and 27th amendments and there were several amendments ratified in the 60's.
ABE: Sorry Percy, I didn't see your post. I don't want to derail your thread so hide this post if you want.
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Message 245 of 4573 (798115)
01-31-2017 7:09 AM
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01-30-2017 10:56 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
Tanypteryx writes:
marc9000 writes:
Here are a few of the Democrats;
*Someone with an open fondness for a communist dictator like Fidel Castro (Bernie Sanders) wouldn't have gotten anywhere near a Democrat presidential nomination in the 60's.
I suppose that is probably correct. I wasn't aware of his fondness for Castro. I have always thought Castro was an asshole and that communism is a shitty system to live under.
I think this one from Marc is on-topic since the Republican corollary is that Trump has a troubling fondness for communist dictator Putin.
Trump's rocky start continued last night when he fired his acting attorney general, a holdover from the Obama administration. She ordered the Justice Department to not defend Trump's immigration orders because they were likely illegal. She was a little vague, but she seems to believe that such actions would have required declaration of a national emergency.
The Trump presidency will continue to run in turmoil so long as he continues to indulge his intemperate and impulsive nature. As he reacts with such outrage to every perceived slight like pictures of crowd sizes, one wonders how he will react in a true emergency. Legitimate cause for worry.
--Percy

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Message 246 of 4573 (798123)
01-31-2017 8:34 AM
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01-30-2017 9:29 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
Here are a few of the Democrats;
*Someone with an open fondness for a communist dictator like Fidel Castro (Bernie Sanders) wouldn't have gotten anywhere near a Democrat presidential nomination in the 60's.
And yet social democrat FDR was reelected twice because he was so popular among working people.
Bernie Saunders positions were like FDR's, and not like Castro's - he did not advocate a "Castro Model" -- that is all in your head.
*There was no EPA in the 60's, no global warming / climate change movement.
*There was no attempt to involve the government with health care in the 60's.
And those are good things. Too bad the republicans hindered health care and blocked universal health care like most civilized countries have -- it costs less and it improves the economy because healthy people work better than unhealthy people.
*There were no filthy mouth Hollywood celebrities like Madonna spouting in front of an open mike without condemnation from the 60's Democrats.
I guess you never went to any anti-war protests. They were there.
*60's Democrats weren't pushing for special rights for gays, trannies, foreigners from enemy nations, abortion seekers, to near the extent they do today.
And it is a good thing to think that rights should be equally shared, not kept for privileged white straight people.
*A 60's Democrat said "ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". No current Democrat is going to get near that.
Except Bernie. But I agree that the DNC has been horrid in abandoning the working people in favor of corporatist pandering and trying to become republican-lite and abandoning Kennedy's legacy in favor of neo-lib Clintonism.
Republican examples? What's different about you since the 60's? I'm about the same - my political views haven't changed. By the way, the Constitution hasn't changed either.
In the 60's my Grandfather was chairman of the Republican Party in Vermont, and it was all about fiscal responsibility and individual rights. Eisenhower instigated the inter-state highways and massive infrastructure construction, and his tax system taxed the highest bracket at 90% ...
Now the GOP runs up the highest debts, leaving fiscal responsibility to the democrats, they are more concerned about religious issues than individual rights, they have done nothing for infrastructure repair to say nothing about any new construction, and they give away taxes to pander to the rich instead of the hard working individual that used to be the core republican base.
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Message 247 of 4573 (798131)
01-31-2017 9:24 AM


At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
You gotta admit that on the upside, the Trump Presidency has so far provided decades worth of material to keep comedians employed. Yes, it has caused pain to some but it was totally impossible to imagine someone finding so many ways to look like an utter ass in so many different mediums as il Donald has managed. This Presidency is proving to be comedy gold.

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Message 248 of 4573 (798133)
01-31-2017 9:35 AM
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01-31-2017 9:24 AM


Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
You gotta admit that on the upside, the Trump Presidency has so far provided decades worth of material to keep comedians employed. ...
And he has united Americans in a way not seen since the anti-war protests of the 60's, and united them with people in other nations. The women's march would not have occurred without him.
#ThankYouTrump*
* - fun fact: this hashtag was started by Trump supporters and now it has gone viral in a way they didn't anticipate ...

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Message 249 of 4573 (798136)
01-31-2017 9:46 AM
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Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
The other upside: Rosie O'Donnell and Miley Cyrus have vowed to leave the country if Trump became president. Good riddance...
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"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
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Message 250 of 4573 (798137)
01-31-2017 9:53 AM
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Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
I don't know RAZD... I feel like there is a huge wedge being driven between Americans and the people are being forced to choose either far left or far right. There just seems to be no room for moderates anymore, only extremes - one or the other...
So there may be uniting of the left and uniting of the right, but no uniting of the two. We are being driven into two separate nations to a level I don't believe has been seen since the 1860's. Let's hope and pray it doesn't go much farther...
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Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 251 of 4573 (798140)
01-31-2017 10:20 AM
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Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
So there may be uniting of the left and uniting of the right, but no uniting of the two. We are being driven into two separate nations to a level I don't believe has been seen since the 1860's. Let's hope and pray it doesn't go much farther...
Trump may be the catalyst for this to change. Certainly the liberal progressive side has an opportunity to bring less radical conservatives together with progressives to work on common ground issues perhaps using immigration reform as a basis.
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Message 252 of 4573 (798146)
01-31-2017 11:56 AM
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Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
It seems that some audience members aren't ready to laugh along with Trump's 'comedy gold'. This time, it's different.
Trumpers Tryand Failto Silence Stand-Up Comics
But other comedians have been subject to in-their-face hate from Trump lovers. One of the most disturbing incidents occurred recently in a New York City comedy club when comedian Eman El-Husseini told some Trump jokes. Instantly a man yelled out, Yeah Trump! in an effort to disrupt her. A few minutes later when El-Husseini mentioned she was Muslim, a person sitting with the original heckler yelled, You are all terrorists! And then added, No one wants to convert to your Islam! The two hecklers were escorted out of the club when they refused to stop interrupting the comedian but only after they threatened the club manager.

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Message 253 of 4573 (798149)
01-31-2017 12:18 PM
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Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
Which only proves that laughter really does work. Trump has one really big weak spot and that is he really fears being laughed at.

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Message 254 of 4573 (798166)
01-31-2017 1:45 PM
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Re: At least so far the Trump Presidency has offered lots of humor
True, but not the point of the essay. This time it's different because Trumpers aren't laughing along w/ the comics, they're feeling emboldened to trash the jokes even before they've finished the set-up.
I think this has a chilling effect on the whole 'political comedy' community.

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Message 255 of 4573 (798237)
02-01-2017 9:48 AM
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01-27-2017 1:41 PM


Fox News = False News
For those still wondering who the true source of 'false news' might be, look no further than good old Faux News.
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quote:
Fox News deletes false Qubec shooting tweet after Canadian PM's office steps in

The office of the Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau has forced Fox News to apologise and retract a false and misleading tweet that inaccurately described the suspect in the Qubec City mosque shooting as a man of Moroccan origin.
Kate Purchase, the director of communications for the prime minister’s office, sent a letter to Fox News objecting to misinformation it had put out after the attack on the Qubec City Islamic cultural center.
Six people were fatally shot in the back as they prayed at the mosque on Sunday. Another 19 people were wounded. On Tuesday two people remained in critical condition.
Shortly after the attack police had arrested two men, one of whom was a Moroccan-born Qubecer. By midday on Monday, police had clarified that only one was a suspect, and they had released the Moroccan-born man — who was now being treated as a witness — without charge.
Fox News later tweeted on Monday afternoon — after the police clarification — that the suspect in the attack was of Moroccan origin.
The Fox News tweet made no mention of the other man arrested, French-Canadian Alexandre Bissonnette, who now faces six charges of first-degree murder and five of attempted murder. Those who know Bissonnette have described him as pro-Donald Trump, anti-immigration and sympathetic to the far right.

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