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dwise1
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Message 89 of 129 (798176)
01-31-2017 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by NoNukes
01-30-2017 1:35 PM


A stupid question, if I may.
The NC voter ID law allowed gun permits as valid ID but not student IDs.
In the past couple decades, all the student IDs that I have seen have been photo IDs. There is no reason why that could not serve to verify that the face you're looking at is the same as is on the ID (which is the stated purpose after all).
But what about gun permits? Are those also photo IDs? Now I realize that that may vary from state to state, so we should probably be asking about gun permits in NC. But if they are not photo IDs, then why allow them over other photo IDs?
Also, I would agree with having to show a photo ID when you go to vote. When I voted early, I and everybody else I saw there had their IDs out to be checked, even though it was not necessary. But if you are going to pass a law that requires a photo ID to vote, then you had damned well better be sure to provide all registered voters with those photo IDs! If you cannot or will not provide all registered voters with photo IDs, then don't require them!

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Message 98 of 129 (798201)
01-31-2017 11:55 PM
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01-31-2017 9:44 PM


Yes, I do realize that it varies from state to state, as do election laws.
So NC permits have no photo. So just what kind of valid ID is that supposed to be?
You prove the point, that those IDs have nothing whatsoever to do with ensuring against voter fraud, but rather that they are a tool of election fraud in the form of voter suppression.

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Message 99 of 129 (798202)
02-01-2017 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Theodoric
01-31-2017 9:44 PM


Re: Freedom of the press under threat
righteous ber-Christians voted for the most un-Christian candidate possible. Their reason for doing so was because they coveted political power and were willing to vote for anyone who would deliver that political power to them, even the Anti-Christ (or The Beast ... I still get those two confused). So that is what they did, they voted for Trump.
I remember an old "dirty" joke. A man propositions an attractive young woman by offering $50,000 in exchange for sex with her. She considers it for a fraction of a second and agrees. Then he propositions her offering $50 for sex with her. Indignant, she retorts negatively, "What kind of a girl do you think I am!?!?!?" He replies, "We already know what kind of a girl you are. Now we're just arriving at the price."
Trump is either the Anti-Christ or the Beast -- I tend to favor the latter. "True Christians" have already sold their souls to him. The only question that remains is how cheaply they had sold out.

FOOTNOTE 1:
NOTE: I studied Russian history in university -- undergraduate Russian history.
Lenin was a sharp cookie. And a German secret weapon that the Germans sent into Tsarist Russia to take them out of the war.
After the Tsar abdicated, Russia was still embroiled in their war with Germany (AKA, World War I). Russia was ruled by a parliament (the Duma) under a series of provisional governments that had to both try to pull the country together while at the same time deal with the Germans. The Germans offered them a peace treaty with unimaginable terms that no sane government could ever agree to. So the Russian provisional governments cycled through everyone, none of whom could deal with the war and the Germans, until it fell to the Bolsheviks.
Bolshevik. There's a whole story behind that. It means "Majority", even though they were a minority political force. But there was one vote in the Duma where they won the majority, and from that point forth they called themselves "The Majority", Bolsheviki. Good for propaganda, nyet?
As I said, one provisional government after the other was raised, tried to deal with the Germans and the war (some with futile counter-offensives), and failed. Now it was the Bolsheviks' turn. They agreed to the Germans' terms! No sane government would have ever done that, but the Lenin-led Bolsheviks did!
That was the Brest-Litovsk Treaty. Germany was being starved for resources, while Russia was rich in resources. The treaty demanded enormous payments from Russia. No sane Russian government could ever agree to such terms. But then the Leninists were not rational. Lenin agreed to the terms of that treaty with no intention of ever honoring it. He just signed it in order to buy time to consolidate power within Russia.
At Cal-State University, Fullerton, my Russian history prof was Dr. Feldman. He had just returned from a year and a half of research in the Soviet Union on the Russian Revolution. His wife was a mathematician, so she was doing research in that area. Russia was way ahead of us in theoretical math, but all her associates were totally blown away by her calculator which was so far advanced beyond them that they could not imagine how the US government had allowed her to bring it with her. Circa 1975.
In 1976, Dr. Feldman ran a 1776 role-playing game. Before that, he had done the same with the Russian Revolution and he told us in the history class about it. Each political faction that took control of the Duma tried to do what it could, but nobody could succeed.
Some of the various political factions tried to mount an offensive against the Germans to gain some kind of advantage in the negotiations.
One of Feldman's students was always complaining that these offensives were completely useless. So Feldman assigned that student the role of leading that offensive. Feldman remembered a conversation with that student who was arguing passionately that they had to attack.
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