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Author Topic:   Welfare - what is it and who benefits
Theodoric
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Message 58 of 70 (798197)
01-31-2017 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by New Cat's Eye
01-16-2017 2:10 PM


Re: Don't Demonize
Personally, I prefer to make my own decisions on how my money goes to help people, rather than throwing it into a tax-pool and letting other people decide how to use it.
But a modern society cannot exist like that. How would you get to work? How would you know food you bought was safe to eat? You may be generous, but most people are assholes and not generous. SO fuck everyone else, because you got yours?

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Theodoric
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Message 59 of 70 (798198)
01-31-2017 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by New Cat's Eye
01-18-2017 3:08 PM


Re: Don't Demonize
No government money is used to fund abortions. That would be illegal.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 60 of 70 (798199)
01-31-2017 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by New Cat's Eye
01-16-2017 2:10 PM


Re: Don't Demonize
Talking about the cost of the average benefit per person does nothing to negate my experience with the guy I met who was selling stacks of food stamps outside the grocery store at half price so he could convert them into cash money.
As I remember you are in your mid-thirties? Food Stamps have not been around since about 1998, so this is something that happened when you were a teenager or younger? Or are you lying?

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Theodoric
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Message 64 of 70 (798267)
02-01-2017 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by New Cat's Eye
02-01-2017 11:02 AM


Re: Don't Demonize
That's beside the point, they don't have to use federal money directly on abortions in order for someone to not want to support them.
No. That is the point. Any other argument is disingenuous and petty.

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Theodoric
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Message 66 of 70 (798323)
02-01-2017 6:31 PM


I think we can pretty much assume that Cat's claim of seeing a guy selling stacks of Food Stamps is probably not quite accurate. Because if he even had, that was at least 20 years ago. To present a 20 year old anecdote as evidence of anything is ridiculous. I am sure he can not tell us where or when this happened.
I have heard the same or similar anecdote from numerous people that rant about the lowlife people on food stamps. They or a friend have seen people selling food stamps and I ask them when, they all say it was in the last couple years. Then I tell them they or their friend is lying. Then I present the facts about EBT cards. Them stammer and then try to justify themselves or change the story. Basically lying POS's.
I have a son on "Food Stamps". He is mentally impaired and has mental illness. He works 20-25 hours per week. More is too much, less is also a recipe for disaster. He gets $12/month in food stamps. Yes $12. If he goes under 20 hours he loses the benefit. Yeah people are getting rich off of them.
People who attack people on assistance can go fuck themselves. Or as my father would say.
"Go ye forth and fornicate thyself."

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 68 of 70 (798354)
02-01-2017 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Riggamortis
02-01-2017 9:21 PM


Re: US welfare system
In the interest of full disclosure he does receive about $500/month in Social Security disability. Rent is $650. He makes $10/hr.
$620 + $500 = $1120
leaves him with $470/month for everything else. Also, he is not allowed to save money. If he has assets of over $2000 he loses his aid. Once you lose aid it is difficult or impossible to get back. There is at least a 6 month period before you will receive it again.
Yup he is a dead beat getting rich off of the system.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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