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Faith 
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Message 136 of 993 (798232)
02-01-2017 9:16 AM
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02-01-2017 9:13 AM


That is a ridiculous misreading.

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PaulK
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Message 137 of 993 (798233)
02-01-2017 9:22 AM
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02-01-2017 9:16 AM


quote:
That is a ridiculous misreading.
Then show that it is. It hardly seems unreasonable to regard non-citizens as people, for a start.

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vimesey
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Message 138 of 993 (798234)
02-01-2017 9:25 AM
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02-01-2017 9:16 AM


You may not yet have been able to read the linked article, but the case law referred to in it confirms that that is the correct reading. You are on a complete hiding to nothing on this one I'm afraid Faith. (Is that an expression in the States ?)

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Faith 
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Message 139 of 993 (798235)
02-01-2017 9:36 AM
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02-01-2017 9:22 AM


THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN FOR CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE TO TREAT NONCITIZENS WITH INJUSTICE OR CRUELTY FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD. THE POINT REMAINS THAT THERE IS NO RIGHT WHATEVER OF NONCITIZENS TO ENTER THIS COUNTRY.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 140 of 993 (798236)
02-01-2017 9:41 AM
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02-01-2017 9:36 AM


Yawn. If you can't be bothered to understand the issues don't post ignorant rants about them.
We are talking about the right to due process for non-citizens arriving at the airport with valid travel documents - as guaranteed by a plain reading of the 14th Amendment. Whether they are allowed to stay or not is another matter.
But asserting that a plain reading of the 14th Amendment is a "ridiculous misreading" in the face of settled case law to the contrary can hardly be considered anything other than ignorant and arrogant.

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Theodoric
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Message 141 of 993 (798243)
02-01-2017 10:15 AM
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02-01-2017 8:00 AM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
In other words
"Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up."
Liar for Jesus and Trump now, I see. Disgusting that you claim to be a Christian but live your life as an antithesis of what your religion professes and support people that are vile, craven and know little to nothing about the religion you profess to follow.
It is amazing that "Christians" are all ready to quote passages from the Old Testament, but seem to be at utter loss for New testament quotations to support their craven beliefs these days.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 142 of 993 (798247)
02-01-2017 10:25 AM
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02-01-2017 8:46 AM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
There is no such thing as a Christian terrorist acting on Christian principles.
Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Alexandre Bissonnette, Wade Michael Page, Scott Roeder, Jim Adkisson, Eric Rudolph, Robert Deer.
Lets look historically
have you heard of Northern Ireland.
Crusades
English Civil war
Gunpowder Plot
Ku Klux Klan
Pogroms
This took me 2 mins to come up with. Quit being a liar for Jesus. Most of these are based upon the same principals you spout here every day. You want to be able to force people to live by what you think is right. Everyone else should submit to Christian domination. Christians who do not believe as you do are not Christians.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 143 of 993 (798248)
02-01-2017 10:26 AM
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02-01-2017 9:04 AM


The Constitution does not apply to noncitizens of America.
It applies to everyone in the borders of the USA.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 144 of 993 (798249)
02-01-2017 10:28 AM
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02-01-2017 9:16 AM


Take that up with Supreme Court rulings since the founding of the republic. What you spout is sedition and treason.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 145 of 993 (798250)
02-01-2017 10:29 AM
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02-01-2017 9:25 AM


Not an expression here. Please elaborate.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 146 of 993 (798251)
02-01-2017 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Faith
02-01-2017 9:36 AM


Caps don't help. You are still wrong.
Please drop the caps. Makes you look foolish and whiney.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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PaulK
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Message 147 of 993 (798252)
02-01-2017 10:34 AM
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02-01-2017 10:29 AM


It means a crushing defeat.

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JonF
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Message 148 of 993 (798255)
02-01-2017 10:47 AM
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02-01-2017 9:04 AM


The Constitution does not apply to noncitizens of America.
14th amendment:
quote:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Anyone on US soil is protected by the Constitution. People coming to the US is different, but green card holders are protected wherever they are.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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vimesey
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Message 149 of 993 (798256)
02-01-2017 10:49 AM
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02-01-2017 10:29 AM


It's fairly widespread here as an expression - though more among us of a certain age... It means you're trying something you can't succeed in.
http://www.phrases.org.guk/...gs/on-a-hiding-to-nothing.html
It's a good natured thing to say though - if you said it to someone, you would usually expect it to be received as a bit of helpful input - there's generally no mockery or insult attached to it.
Edited by vimesey, : More info

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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herebedragons
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Message 150 of 993 (798259)
02-01-2017 11:26 AM
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02-01-2017 9:04 AM


The Constitution does not apply to noncitizens of America. I can hardly believe anyone would make such a claim.
This must be one of those "alternate facts" you like so much.
The 14th Amendment is clear that ALL 'persons' within the jurisdiction of the United States have the protection of the Constitution and cannot be denied due process.
I presented the evidence using this link Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights complete with Supreme court rulings
quote:
In Wong Win v. United States (1896), the court ruled that:
It must be concluded that all persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection by those amendments [Fifth and Sixth] and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.
The matter was settled over 100 years ago!
If you believe that not to be true, please present your evidence of that. Perhaps some court rulings.
There is no such thing as a right for noncitizens to enter this country.
That's not the claim. The claim is that when persons who have been granted legal access to enter the country arrive in the US, they are being denied due process and being turned away.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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