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Author Topic:   Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
Faith 
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Message 196 of 993 (798386)
02-02-2017 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Modulous
02-01-2017 8:02 PM


This is NOT ABOUT THE OP, it's a specific point I brought up. I've understood that all your convoluted posts on this subject are addressing that one simple point that started it all: I understood that Obama had MADE A SIMILAR EXECUTIVE ORDER TO TRUMP'S but nobody protested him. SIMILAR EXECUTIVE ORDER. You are bringing in all kinds of other things that do not address this point. You haven't given me any reason to consider any other issue.

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Faith 
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Message 197 of 993 (798387)
02-02-2017 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by PaulK
02-02-2017 7:51 AM


No, there isn't a single honest assessment of my posts.

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Message 198 of 993 (798388)
02-02-2017 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Faith
02-02-2017 7:58 AM


I guess that maybe most of us are being too polite to you, but other than that I doubt you can find a single instance of dishonesty in my posts in this thread - and I am hardly the only one here that could be said of.
We cannot say the same for you.

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Faith 
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Message 199 of 993 (798389)
02-02-2017 8:04 AM
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02-02-2017 8:01 AM


Again I ask if there is any honest person here who understands my posts as the honest reports they are and isn't just out to call me names and invent nonexistent calumnies?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 200 of 993 (798390)
02-02-2017 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Faith
02-02-2017 8:04 AM


Let us rephrase that to be more accurate "are there any gullible fools who unquestionably believe you and can't see what you are doing?" Because that is the only way an honest person could possibly agree with you. And yes, I am probably being too polite again.

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Message 201 of 993 (798391)
02-02-2017 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
02-02-2017 7:56 AM


Nope. He didn't. Repeating untruths multiple times does not make them true.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 202 of 993 (798392)
02-02-2017 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Faith
02-02-2017 7:47 AM


Your instability is showing. You might want to take a break. Go to a quiet room and actually read the Quran yourself. Not rely on someone else's propaganda. I agree it is vile and xenophobic, but it does not actually say everything you claim. While in that room you might want to actually read the collection of myths you call a bible. It is just as vile and xenophobic. Maybe more so. Don't just look at the words, don't rely on someone else's commentary, read it with an open mind.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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herebedragons
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Message 203 of 993 (798398)
02-02-2017 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
02-01-2017 1:19 PM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
My personal opinion or position on Islam or the Koran is completely irrelevant. This is the United States of America, and here we do not discriminate on the basis of religious affiliation - even religious positions that are vile and repulsive. You surely don't want to begin discriminatory practices based on religion do you? Because I am sure there are people that would love to open that can of worms and rid this country of ALL the religions they find deplorable.
So regardless of my or your opinion of Islam, and regardless of how wrong and evil it may or may not be, we cannot discriminate based on a person's association with that religion - again to remind you... this is the United States of America and we have very clear provisions for freedom of religion in our Constitution.
We can however, ban evil ideologies. Killing people who disagree with your religious views is an ideology we can reject -independent of the religious institution that holds such an ideology.
The ideology that women are property and should have no rights except what her husband grants her can be rejected. Our laws and Constitution grants that women have rights equal to that of men (of course we are still working out some of what that means). Yes, we can reject that ideology.
BUT, we cannot discriminate against persons because they are associated with a religion that has those ideologies (whether Islam does or does not have those ideologies is not my point).
All you are really doing is trying to incite hatred towards a particular group of people. Stop. It is very un-Christian like. Opposing certain ideologies is not wrong, and is probably a good thing in most cases; but as has been pointed out, not all Muslims have those ideologies that you associate with Islam.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Faith 
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Message 204 of 993 (798399)
02-02-2017 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by Theodoric
02-02-2017 8:30 AM


You might want to stop your underhanded tactics I made my case very well and all you've done is move the goalposts, attack the authorship of my reference in an ad hominem, pretend you are some kind of expert in Arabic, nitpick about my characterization of the verses when the general point was made beyond your expectations, and otherwise refuse to face the fact that what I've said about both Islam and Christianity is the truth.

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herebedragons
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Message 205 of 993 (798400)
02-02-2017 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Faith
02-02-2017 7:58 AM


By "honest" you mean "agrees with you", right. Then I suppose, no, there is no "honest" assessment here. To get the "honest" assessment you are looking for you are going to need to go to a forum with more ultra-right conservatives than frequent here. Maybe the Anti-Islam Alliance. You should get some good "honest" assessments over there.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Faith 
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Message 206 of 993 (798401)
02-02-2017 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by herebedragons
02-02-2017 9:40 AM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
Islam is not a religion in the sense other religions are. It's a satanic murderous ideology, and NOT to discriminate against any such dangerous subversive ideology is suicidal in/sanity. The irresponsible thing, the unchristian thing, is to pretend there is no danger when there is, and by that cowardly posture to put the nation in danger.
And you are wrong, we can discriminate against anyone seeking to enter this country for whatever reason we want. And certainly the reason that they may pose a real danger to the citizens is a very good reason. And when they are here they should be watched like a hawk because the "religion" DOES make them ticking time bombs of serious danger to the country.
Something so twisted has taken hold of the leftist mind I despair for not just the nation but the whole world which has come under such irrational dogma. No, HBD you are the one violating Christian principles.
As the list I quoted to Theodoric very succinctly said, it is not that they are bad people, it's that their ideology is bad. You can't just pretend this is a "religion" like any other religion. Islam seeks to dominate the world. Absolutely every move the leadership makes is toward that end, and they've already fulfilled that aim in an enormous number of nations across the world, while persecuting and intimidating others for that same purpose, which includes their jihadist actions in Europe. And if you read that list of quotes I posted you can see that violence and murder are often the methods they use.
IN FACT MUSLIMS NEED TO BE SAVED FROM ISLAM. LYING ABOUT IT AND PRETENDING IT'S JUST ANOTHER RELIGION KEEPS THEM ENSLAVED TO A SATANIC IDEOLOGY. AND IT'S COWARDLY. WAKE UP.
You are seriously deceived, HBD, your stance is unchristian and promotes a terrible evil.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 207 of 993 (798402)
02-02-2017 10:05 AM
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02-02-2017 9:49 AM


No, I mean honestly assess the evidence I've given. Honestly assess it. So far everyone has been avoiding the simple factual truths I've posted.
You'd think I could at least trust another Christian, but no, you're worse than some others here.

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Theodoric
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Message 208 of 993 (798404)
02-02-2017 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Faith
02-02-2017 9:44 AM


As usual you do not address my post my post at all. All you do is assert, obfuscate and accuse.
Lets look at the lies in just this post.
underhanded tactics
Debating, pointing out your mistakes and quoting what you wrote is underhanded?
all you've done is move the goalposts
You set the goalposts, I am showing you how your posts don't even go near the goal posts. You do know what the term means don't you?
attack the authorship of my reference in an ad hominem
Calling something that is propaganda propaganda is an ad hominem attack? So in Faith world there can be no criticism of your world view? Grow up and stop whining.
pretend you are some kind of expert in Arabic
Never did it. I have relied on people that are experts though. I know you think there is no need for experts, but experts are the people we should rely on.
nitpick about my characterization of the verses
No I pointed out your characterization as being wrong and dishonesty.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Faith 
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Message 209 of 993 (798405)
02-02-2017 10:25 AM
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02-02-2017 10:22 AM


Once again the truth is defeated by the lies at EvC.

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herebedragons
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Message 210 of 993 (798406)
02-02-2017 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Faith
02-02-2017 9:59 AM


Re: Pictures worth a thousand words
So you do in fact advocate discrimination based on religious beliefs - not just in who to admit into the country, but even against those who are already here legally. That's what will make America great again?
Your assessment of my Christian values is meaningless to me. I am not arguing that Islam is a "good" or "benign" religion, but fear and hate is antithetical to Christian teachings and I won't give in to fear and hate.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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