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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do I have to keep reinventing the wheel here? I've answered this thousands of times already. Maybe I can do it again, but later.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
What you're inventing is not a wheel. It's fiction. Do I have to keep reinventing the wheel here? Have you ever actually met a Muslim?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
You are really not answering the point. While I am glad to see you apparently walking back on your opposition to Catholics holding political office nothing you say really makes it clear why Muslims should be considered a greater threat.
The more so if you really believe that the End Times are near and the Pope is the AntiChrist. (And let us face it, Muslims are not exactly likely to worship the image of the Beast!)
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 879 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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I don't want to argue with your nonsense any more Ditto
but I'll say that if you don't hate evil you are not a Christian. I said I will not hate and fear Muslims because of their religion and that the United States Constitution forbids discrimination against peoples because of their religious affiliation. Now suggesting that I love evil is very disingenuous.
And not one thing I've said expresses an iota of fear, that's your own projection. Right, you want to deny Muslim from entering the country and deny those that live here freedom because you love them. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What you're inventing is not a wheel. It's fiction. Prove it. All of you, prove it, you're just slinging lies and accusations. I've proved my point honestly and thoroughly.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Have you ever met a Muslim?
I've proved my point honestly and thoroughly.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, a very nice Syrian named Khalid, and many Iranians.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.
The Faith mantra.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Faith and that ilk are praying for the end of times. They want this disruption and want war in the middle east, because they are sure it will usher in the second coming. Alas, they should actually read their book. In reality it would be the first coming, since according to Paul Jesus has never been on this earth.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
So how have you "proved" that they have an evil ideology?
Yes, a very nice Syrian named Khalid, and many Iranians.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No I am not praying for the end times because I have friends and family who will suffer terribly then. I pray for them to be saved along with many others, even the deceived posters at EvC, so that they won't have to go through that horror.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
But you won't suffer?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Why wouldn't I prefer that all the other religions be benign? These kinds of questions are inane. You believe all kinds of stuff that can be proved to be nonsense, much of it in the face of strong evidence to the contrary of your beliefs. You, more than anyone else here are prone to putting fingers in your ears and yelling (typing in all caps) at the rest of us when you get frustrated. Why do you not believe other religions are benign? I don't know. Why do you believe left leaning people hate America? Why do you believe that mutations cannot provide genetic diversity? Why do you believe folks who say that Sessions is non-racist over those who recount his documented racists acts? Why don't you believe that terrains can become rock layers? Why at this point would pointing out to us that your beliefs are not rational be persuasive. We know that you are sincere, but we also know that you cannot vet even your own arguments, let alone someone else's. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Let me try another approach. In the Bible, it states that God decrees that the punishment for working on the Sabbath is being stoned to death. That's pretty clear - there's no confusion apparent in the verse - you work on a Sunday, you're dead, end of story. The death penalty expresses the extreme importance God attaches to the sanctity of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is symbolic of the rest of God to be brought to believers through Christ. It is holy. The laws are clear. The punishment for disobedience does not come out of the blue, the Sabbath has been preached and preached and preached so punishment for breaking it is known to all Israel. There is no way anyone could just inadvertently violate it. Anyone who violates it does so in complete knowledge of its importance. You don't just happen to need to collect some firewood on the Sabbath, to do that you would have to be intentionally insulting God and undermining the seriousness of the law in the minds of other Israelites, which itself is a great crime. The reason Christians don't literally obey this law is that Christ has come, the true Sabbath rest is ours, completely fulfilled. Similarly Jesus has fulfilled all the Law, but this is to explain this particular law. I will have to come back to this. I'm hearing a good discussion of the Berkeley riots and have to hear them out. Later.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But you won't suffer? According to the theology I'm talking about, Christians will not suffer God's wrath, which is distinguished from all the other kinds of suffering from persecutions of all kinds including those being suffered across the world at the hands of Muslims as we speak, to torture by the Inquisition, all of which is just normal everyday tribulation or sufferings to be expected by believers. God's wrath is understood to be on a completely different level and it is reserved for those who have refused the gospel, and it is something not to be wished on anybody. Again I'm talking from the perspective of this particular theology, which I am not completely convinced of yet myself but which does seem to have a fair amount of biblical support. Since the Inquisition performed some pretty exquisite tortures as well as beheadings on Christians, and Islam is doing similar things to nonMuslims in Africa and other parts of the world as we speak, I'm not entirely sure what makes the Great Tribulation, or God's Wrath, so much more horrible, but that is the idea as I understand it. Extreme natural disasters, ravening wild beasts, extreme famines and plagues and horrific diseases and that sort of thing may be what make the difference. It is unbelievers who are to experience the Great Tribulation, and Christians are to miss it, if this theology that includes the "pre-Tribulation Rapture" is correct. I make periodic efforts to pin it all down biblically and find it difficult to do, but I think this outline is pretty much the gist of this theology. s
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