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Why people of Faith and Believers do not continue to Debate. Part 2

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02-01-2017 7:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
02-01-2017 4:55 AM

Re: " the skills or stamina to keep up with my line of reasoning"
Dawn's OP wanders vaguely across a lot of territory, and I'm left not knowing what his topic even is. I think only a clear topic proposal should be promoted.
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02-02-2017 6:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 5 by Dawn Bertot
02-01-2017 12:28 PM

Re: " the skills or stamina to keep up with my line of reasoning"
I could still use some changes:
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  • Your title doesn't seem to have anything to do with your topic.
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  • Who are Craig and Harris and why do you need to mention them to make your point?
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  • What's an "SFH"?
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I think your proposal could be cut down to few brief paragraphs:
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Simply put I would say the Atheist has no rational or logical way to formulate an actual moral or ethic, from a reality standpoint. While it's possible for him or her to imagine or perceive such a thing, there is simply no way in reality this is possible. I can easily developed that point.
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In the first place, this is not a moral it's an Instinct, any animal can avoid pain or misery. It takes no thinking process.
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Secondly, since according to the Naturalistic proposition, much animal life existed before the human brain, it would follow that pain or misery and it's avoidance was not invented as a moral by the human mind, therefore not an actual moral or ethic. The lion and Bear do not share your opinion,when they are on the giving end of misery. We only discovered that it's a thing to avoid as well, for natural reasons, not ethical ones.
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Thirdly, since I can get very different responses from human minds as to what constitutes a moral or immoral act, it should be immediately evident that there is no way to establish OBJECTIVELY, from a Naturalistic standpoint, what is in REALITY morally real.
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Therefore, it is logically impossible for an actual ethic or moral to exist from the Atheistic standpoint, in Reality.
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For a title I would suggest, "Atheism Cannot Explain Morals".
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02-02-2017 1:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 10 by Dawn Bertot
02-02-2017 10:47 AM

Re: " the skills or stamina to keep up with my line of reasoning"
Dawn Bertot writes:
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Yes, thank you sir, you are of course correct on most of your observations, except for the title. Of course Atheist can explain morals, they simply have no rational foundation for having any, given their strictly Naturalistic position.
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An explanation with no rational foundation is the same as no explanation. I think my title accurately captures your position, as much as something can that must be brief due to space limitations. If you want to change it to, Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals, then that would be fine.
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Yes I can alter the title and incorporate in the conversation, the logical empasses we Theist and Atheist arrive at often, which can cause a lack of participation on our part.
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I don't want you to incorporate anything more in the conversation - your OP in Message 5 would be fine when cut down to the paragraphs I excerpted in my Message 9.
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Closing this down, please submit a new thread proposal.
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