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Faith 
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Message 61 of 275 (798716)
02-05-2017 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by NoNukes
02-04-2017 6:55 PM


You draw the line quite arbitrarily, Faith. The only distinction is that Milo applies his offense to an entire group of people. People rightly respond back to Milo as an individual. How else could it be, Faith?
And of course the truth is a perfectly good defense against slander.
Not at all arbitrary. Offense may be definable as an opinion perhaps; but slander is a lie about the person. Aren't all his offensive comments just opinion?
I already said I didn't like his comments; I don't even know what they are supposed to mean. I see no joke in them. But there is no doubt that slander is something else completely in being an outright lie about a person, which is probably why you can sue for slander but as far as I know not for offense.
Nothing arbitrary about it.
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Message 64 of 275 (798749)
02-05-2017 10:04 AM
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02-05-2017 4:09 AM


No, it is you having the trouble separating them, because it suits your political viewpoint not to; I have no trouble with it myself.

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Message 65 of 275 (798750)
02-05-2017 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by RAZD
02-05-2017 8:29 AM


Re: anarchists and agent provocateurs
Here is some more information on the anarchists from USA today ...
I hope that's true, because I'd rather not think the Left has turned violent and decided to destroy the nation because of Trump.
But there are questions. It was an older man not wearing black who pepper-sprayed the young woman wearing the Trump hat (I wrongly said shirt earlier). Interestingly this happened right after she told an interviewer that she's sure the protestors are mostly nonviolent. This on video.
At one of the first "protests" after the election it was young black thugs who dragged a white guy out of his car and beat him, and he wasn't even a Trump supporter. It was also young blacks who bound and tortured the mentally handicapped white guy telling him to denounce Trump and white people. And I doubt all those people calling for the assassination of Trump are Black Bloc.
And there is still the question why these guys could get away with it. There should have been massive police action and arrests. So they're hiding their identity in black, you can still go after the guys in black when you see them hit or stomp somebody or start a fire etc, why didn't that happen?
I've been watching Infowars off and on recently (you can hold the ad hominems) and they have coverage of stuff you won't see elsewhere, including people who were at these events describing such things as that women were being especially targeted, and that pleas to the cops, at the inauguration protests anyway, got the answer that they were told by the President (Obama) not to intervene, even when a bloodied victim appealed for help. The "mainstream" media seems to shy away from such reports.
Another report was that a large number of people were kept from getting into the inauguration by a crowd of Black Lives Matter terrorists among others. Suggests that for whatever reason the police are not doing their jobs.
But I'm sure you've turned up one important element in the problem at least.
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Message 70 of 275 (798822)
02-05-2017 5:52 PM
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02-05-2017 2:46 PM


Re: anarchists and agent provocateurs
Funny. In spite of that claim that they are against government, I suspect there wouldn't have been any protests if Hillary had won.

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Faith 
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Message 77 of 275 (799412)
02-10-2017 4:25 AM


The Soros Connection
A journalist's report on protests in NYC soon after the election:
I understood immediately that something truly malignant was afoot, whereas most of my liberal friends seemed to think there was nothing that alarming about the nature of these protests. It was said that they were all expressing understandable frustration. To me, they were the PC crowd, one minutesupposedly representing a kinder, more sensitive American dialogue about various issues. And then in a fingersnapthey went all ISIS on us.
In one video, there are hundreds of angry young people marching, the males swathed in shemagh scarves in red or black, their lithe bodies bristling with violence seeking an outlet. They looked truly menacing and scary, like terrorists. Fucking piece of shit racist, one of them spits at the person shooting the video. Why he was a racist for shooting the video is not clear. But suddenly everything in America was a piece of shit racist, probably including a Starbucks cup. Donald Trump puppets were burned in effigy. America had officially cracked. This was it.

I’m doing a story, I said, to the officer, on the protests. My feeling is there is something off about it all.
Well, they’re paid to do this, he said calmly, lifting the barricade to allow two people who showed him ID, into Trump Towers.
Soros? I said.
He nodded. Yep.
I have read that, and I don’t doubt you. But do you know for a fact or do you just suspect?
I know for a fact, he said.
How do you know? I asked.
Intel, he said.
Ah. So you guys are briefed in the department?
Oh sure. It’s been going on for a long time. I’ve known it for 12 years. Soros pays for all the protests. These people, many of them, don’t even live here. They come in from other states.
...
Can I ask you a question? I said to the officer. Isn’t it illegal to fund street protests that force American taxpayers to pay for extra police forces, block off streets, and all this?
You’d think so, he said, turning to let somebody through the barricade.
My friends on Facebook, my liberal friends, have been mocking me for thinking Soros funds these protests, I said. Is there any earthly chance you could go on the record, at a future time, if we set careful ground rules?
Sorry, I can’t.
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Faith 
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Message 80 of 275 (799449)
02-10-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by jar
02-10-2017 7:13 AM


Re: The Soros Connection
I anticipated the response here. Of course the mere report of a conversation with a cop is going to be mocked and supposedly "answered" -- with the usual speculations treated as fact. Just business as usual at EvC and wherever liberals/leftists gather. I simply like this woman and like her way of presenting information, which is quite believable. You have to believe the cop made it up to discount it. And there's SO much more out there about Soros' funding protests. If you all weren't listening to the echoes in this dark little cave you might even start to think there could be something to it. But no matter; I like this woman and I believe her report.
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Faith 
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Message 82 of 275 (799453)
02-10-2017 12:08 PM
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02-10-2017 12:03 PM


Re: The Soros Connection
You all really should be a little more careful about calling everybody you disagree with a liar. Hm?

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Message 85 of 275 (799467)
02-10-2017 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by herebedragons
02-10-2017 12:39 PM


Re: The Soros Connection
Having a crackpot opinion doesn't make her a liar.

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Faith 
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Message 88 of 275 (799472)
02-10-2017 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by jar
02-10-2017 12:56 PM


Re: The Soros Connection
And I have not called her a liar. I have always called her a nutjob. As to her alleged conversation with the cop, I simply point out that it is not evidence of anything except the fact that she wrote it.
Woo, WHAT a deep insight. Wow. I didn't claim evidence and I couldn't care less about that typical EvC complaint. Her report is credible. Period.
The way you choose to explain her report makes her a liar:
Here's what you said in Message 81:
We can think the conversation never happened and that it is all simply stuff she made up just like the discussions reported in the Chick Tracts.
"Never happened" and "made up" means lied.
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Faith 
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Message 90 of 275 (799482)
02-10-2017 3:27 PM
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02-10-2017 3:20 PM


Re: The Soros Connection
No, there are lots of people who have one or two crackpot opinions who aren't crackpots. I haven't heard her "false claims" but let me guess: they aren't false claims, they are facts as she sees them. Besides, as you know, I consider the entire argument for evolution to be a big fat false claim made up out of mental cobwebs, without a shred of actual --ACTUAL -- evidence.
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Faith 
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Message 91 of 275 (799498)
02-10-2017 4:36 PM


The Left is No Longer Liberal
Since the violence in Berkeley and the other anti-Trump protests riots, is particularly emblematic of what's wrong with the left these days --(even if it's mostly by infiltrators, because there simply has not been any kind of real objection to it from the left)-- I figture this belongs here:
Dave Rubin: Why I Left the Left

  
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Message 95 of 275 (799551)
02-10-2017 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Modulous
02-10-2017 8:33 PM


Re: The Soros Connection
My first thought was that it's not likely anyone would go to the trouble to find out the man's identity, or would succeed at it in any case, but then I realized this is a crime we're talking about. She couldn't give away his identity but she wanted to give enough detail to establish credibility, and of course she would want to prove that Soros was committing such a crime, I would hope the information she gave would work to that end.
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Faith 
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Message 99 of 275 (799591)
02-11-2017 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Modulous
02-11-2017 12:55 PM


Re: The Soros Connection
Yes I suppose if it did get out he'd be fired. But the information could be the wedge needed to bring Soros to prosecution. Not by itself of course, but a wedge, a beginning, perhaps forcing confessions, perhaps giving courage to others, bringing people out of the woodwork who know things but are afraid of telling them. TV interviews with the shadowed head.
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Message 101 of 275 (799594)
02-11-2017 1:32 PM
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02-11-2017 1:20 PM


Re: The Soros Connection
Not for funding a "protest," for funding violent riots and destroying property and hurting people. THAT's the charge, as the article says.

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Message 104 of 275 (799602)
02-11-2017 5:22 PM
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02-11-2017 1:58 PM


Re: The Soros Connection
Go to the link at the top of Message 77 and read the paragraph just above the one that starts the quote I gave:
Then the narcissistic rage beganthe screaming, chanting, raging, and peaceful protesting, which included smashing windows, storefronts,

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