Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response

Read Mods post. Lies Faith all lies. But then again you are ok with lies.

Mod's latest post? I don't see the relevance.I'd guess that he might not have felt guilt because his father gave him to this man to pretend to be his Christian godson, which would impress on him that his father wanted him to survive no matter what, so that's the mentality he learned. He doesn't seem to have had much of a sense of identification with the Jews, or any now either, but that's not clear. Anyway that survivor mentality seems to have gone along with an autocratic frame of mind so that he really loves to be able to wield his immense power to destroy a nation for his own personal satisfaction.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Faith, you certainly suggested that Soros and CAIR should have been used in the cartoon, and that certainly suggests that you feel at least one of them should be blamed for the courts decisions.The fact that Trump's order is very likely unconstitutional somehow doesn't enter your consideration even though it has been discussed extensively in this thread.So, really, Dr. Adequate's reading of your post seems far from unreasonable and nothing you have said provides any valid reason to think otherwise. Indeed, your obvious hate of Soros and CAIR reinforces the reading.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

Yeah, the video isn't the same as the "transcript".

I wonder if that gets as many google hits as jews did 9/11.

There is no doubt whatever that Trump's ban is constitutional. The court's banning it is way out of line. But it is unfortunately in line with the perversion of American institutions the Left has brought about over the last few decades, so perhaps they will succeed after all in turning the nation into a third world swamp. I wouldn't want to underestimate Trump though. It should be interesting to watch the war between good and evil continue to play out.Any such action these days that comes against Trump is not justifiable, does not deserve to be called justice and as far as the ban goes is no violation of the symbolism of the statue of Liberty. Not that there might not be some small problems but the main action, no. And Soros is known for pushing the Leftist agenda against conservatives for years and now Trump, and hiring people to disrupt conservative events with violence; and CAIR is known for serving Islam by Leftist type twisting of the meanings of the Bill of Rights. Known by sane people, that is.Why does the left have to reduce every considered opinion to a feeling? Calling a reasoned objective view of what Soros and CAIR do "hate" is childish and stu/pid, but unfortunately very effective with the Left who seem to be unable to think on any other level after decades of dumbing-down brainwashing.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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There is no doubt whatever that Trump's ban is constitutional.

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That certainly isn't true. In fact it probably isn't constitutional. As the discussion on this thread is shown.

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Why does the left have to reduce every considered opinion to a feeling? Calling a reasoned view of what Soros and CAIR do "hate" is childish and stu/pid, but unfortunately very effective with the Left who seem to be unable to think on any other level after decades of dumbing-down brainwashing.

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The evidence of this thread shows exactly who the victim of dumbed-down brainwashing is. Who was so blind that she couldn't see the differences between Trump's Executive Order and Obama's ?

Gollygosharoony, what a lying post. I have no trouble "seeing the differences," as I said, they are irrelevant to the point I was making, which is well served by the example. You are allowed to disagree, but the straw man is out of order.Oh the ban is constitutional, it is very clear that the President has the right to keep aliens temporarily out of the country if he considers them to be a potential danger to the security of the nation. But again I have to note that the Leftist judiciary over many decades has so perverted the Constitution they may rule against him anyway. Which won't make their ruling Constitutional, just the usual destructive Leftist perversion.But I've been amazed that Trump's sane common-sensical truly American platform has gotten as far as it has so far in this Leftist slimepit the nation has become -- testimony to the fact that there are still sane Americans here in spite of the mentally warped Left. Maybe God will continue to support Trump and the sane contingent, or maybe not. I've been amazed at his win because I figured the nation was under God's judgment, and if I was right it still is, and the win can only be temporary. That will make the Left happy -- for a while -- until reality strikes. We'll keep praying of course.

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Gollygosharoony, what a lying post. I have no trouble "seeing the differences," as I said, they are irrelevant to the point I was making, which is well served by the example. You are allowed to disagree, but the straw man is out of order.

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The differences were obviously of great relevance to the point you were making since they are at the heart of many of the objections made to Trump's order - including mine - and to the constitutional question.

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Oh the ban is constitutional, it is very clear that the President has the right to keep aliens temporarily out of the country if he considers them to be a potential danger to the security of the nation

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It is certainly not clear that he can do so without due process. As you certainly ought to know by now. Especially as the vast majority of those affected - even if we count the tens of thousands of cancelled visas - are completely innocent.You can argue all you like that the U.S. should be arbitrary and unjust in it's treatment of non-citizens but that is hardly sane, common-sensical, constitutional or good.

If there are legitimate exceptions, then they should be accommodated for, not a problem, just an excuse to pretend the whole order was wrong. That's irrelevant to the main aim of the ban which is perfectly Constitutional, and stopping it is what is unconstitutional.

Your insane delusion that "Soros buys them all" is not a considered opinion. Your insane delusion that "CAIR threatens them all" is not a considered opinion. Your insane delusion that I disagree with you about stuff is that I'm a paid stooge rather than because you're batshit crazy is not a considered opinion.

Making assertions is easy. Especially for people like you who don't care about the truth. Let us not forget that when the order went out Green Card holders were detained, even though the law supposedly authorising the order did not apply to them. If you want to insist that the courts are wrong let's see you actually take on their decisions and show their errors.As for the rest isn't the vet from Glasgow a "legitimate exception" ? What consideration did she or anyone in a similar position get ?And if you are going to be honest the disruption was caused by Trump and his staff. They were the ones who decided to rush the order in and target people who were already in the air. Copying Obama's approach of suspending the issue of visas would be far less disruptive. And I made that point right back at the start of the thread.

Oo oo, you should watch your blood pressure.A hyperbolic abstract isn't a considered opinion and I didn't say it was; but it is an abstract of said opinion and has nothing to do with my feelings.

Rushing things is how Trump hopes to keep up the momentum of fulfilling his campaign promises. You have no reason to impute slimy motives to him, except your own slimy imagination. As I said, if there are legitimate exceptions they should be made.

I didn't impute any motivations to Trump in that post. But if Trump is bungling orders because he wants to "keep up momentum" maybe he should have another think. It is not as if an order to suspend processing visa applications could not have gone into immediate effect.