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Message 11 of 187 (794215)
11-11-2016 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taq
11-10-2016 4:35 PM


pay or die
The first basic question the Republican party has to answer is if their plan will guarantee insurance for all Americans, or if they will allow insurance companies to deny coverage to sick people in order to lower premiums for healthy people. How they answer that question will greatly affect how they construct their healthcare strategy.
I think the republican healthcare plan is simple: pay or die.

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Message 112 of 187 (794602)
11-17-2016 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by New Cat's Eye
11-17-2016 4:47 PM


two questions
Two questions Cat Sci:
(1) why do you want your employer to pick your insurance? (Do they pick you car insurance for you?)
and
(2) why do you want to use a for-profit insurance company when ~40% (or more) goes into some pocket other than paying your health bills?
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Message 113 of 187 (794603)
11-17-2016 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Taq
11-17-2016 5:25 PM


Re: Myths Americans Believe About Healthcare
Those Americans go to the bcy room because they can't be denied service due to lack of insurance like they can at a family doc. The way we pay for healthcare has everything to do with why these people are going to the emergency room. This is exactly what I am talking about.
We pay for it one way or the other, in taxes, in direct payments, or in reduced health, even early death. Reduced health affects coworkers either directly, through spreading infections, or directly, in causing others to cover and pick up all or some of your workload (iirc there are stats on how much poor health costs businesses every year, costs that get passed to consumers).
People with no coverage and minimum wage jobs tend to put off care to the last minute
With universal health care people would tend to go earlier and take advantage of prevention programs (flue vacinations etc).
So the question becomes how do we want to pay for it and what do you want for your buck.
Getting businesses out of the business of choosing your healthcare also means they can't impose choices (or lack thereof) on you that you would not make (Hobby Lobby and birth control for example).
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Message 139 of 187 (797769)
01-26-2017 2:28 PM
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01-26-2017 12:29 PM


Re: Plan? What plan??
Put up the dough ray me or die die die.
Are you trying to be a sanity clause?

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Message 150 of 187 (798935)
02-06-2017 4:27 PM
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02-06-2017 12:35 PM


Re: The media did a piss poor job on covering the ACA in 2009/2010 and also after.
... At this time in history there is simply not enough support among the American public for a single payer system. ...
Wrong but irrelevant. both parties are in the healthcare (hospitals, big pharm, insurance, etc) pockets so it doesn't matter what the people want.
Until we get our government back. Bernie was a good chance for that, but nobody else is interested.
Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Favor Universal Health Care -- Until Taxes Are Mentioned
That was may 2009, so probably different now. Once republicans finish wrecking Obama/Romney care there could be a swing back to universal healthcare.
Healthcare System (Gallup)
52% in favor.
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Message 152 of 187 (799068)
02-07-2017 7:53 AM
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02-06-2017 5:59 PM


Re: The media did a piss poor job on covering the ACA in 2009/2010 and also after.
... Support for the public option in liberal states was overwhelming. As they say, all politics are local.
The poll you posted is also a bit misleading.
Agreed, I couldn't find the poll I had read recently (2016 during primaries)
There may be good news for liberal states, especially if they declare themselves sanctuary states (see California) as that would enable them to set up state universal healthcare.
Personally I would like to see a coalition of liberal states going this route. Vermont started it, and several liberal states have pledged to fill the gaps in healthcare created by the GOP. Massachusetts already has Romneycare.
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Message 159 of 187 (799223)
02-08-2017 8:02 AM
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02-07-2017 10:58 AM


Re: The media did a piss poor job on covering the ACA in 2009/2010 and also after.
... With that in mind, there are some obvious flaws in that system. First, it will be hard for small states to negotiate prices down, especially when it comes to drugs. If smaller states can band together with larger states then they will have more bargaining power. ...
That's why it needs to be a coalition of blue states, willing states, but certainly even a small state like RI would have more bargaining power than small companies and even some of the medium and larger ones. We have some 1.06 million people as of 2015. Combining with MA, CT, NY would of course help.
... Second, what happens when you get sick outside of your state of residence? ...
What happens now when you get sick out of country (in Canada say)?
... Third, what happens to people in stridently conservative states (like the one I live in) who refuse to create these healthcare systems?
They get to enjoy the rewards of their ideology. As republicans keep saying people need to take responsibility for their actions, because actions have consequences.
We can already see differences between extreme red states and blue states -- such as Wisconsin vs Minnesota. It used to be bible belt states that had high poverty and poor health. Bernie talked about the differences in life expectancy that was due to where you lived.
The real problem is cost, not how to pay for private insurance. We could still have a system with multiple private insurers and federally controlled healthcare prices. We do the very same thing with utilities, where states control how much companies can charge for things like electricity.
Indeed. In my opinion all insurance related, health related, utility related business should either be public or non-profit. It is immoral in my opinion to make profit from the suffering of people.
We will have to see what the Republicans come up with. I am guessing it will be almost indistinguishable from the ACA, but we will see.
The republicans will create a system that benefits the corporations at the expense of the people. People will die. Coal miners will die.
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Message 163 of 187 (799265)
02-08-2017 4:15 PM
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02-08-2017 10:39 AM


Re: The ACA in 2009/2010 and drug prices.
Did you know that a 25 cents tax on sugary drinks would pay at least half (and perhaps 2/3rds) of the total cost of the TOTAL 2003 Bush law AND COMBINED ADDITIONAL COVERAGE from ObamaCare?
Sugary drinks should also include sugar substitutes ... because they are even more unhealthy than high sugar consumption.
And make it $0.50 so it can cover medicaid expansion
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Message 185 of 187 (820514)
09-21-2017 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Tanypteryx
09-21-2017 2:50 PM


Re: The Republicans Try, Try Again
1. If you can afford your own health insurance you don't need government assistance,
2. If you can't afford your own health insurance you don't deserve government assistance.
Simple.

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