Too Funny. Faith it is even being reported in today's news. A mother in Phoenix was arrested when she reported to immigration as she was ordered to and has been doing for at least four years. She is being deported and in fact many US Citizens were arrested for protesting her deportation. Her two kids who are US citizens are now forced to see their mother removed and shipped to Mexico based on a past conviction for impersonation in a case that was later deemed to have been unconstitutional.
Plus today a conservative Judge appointed by Bush and confirmed by the Senate had his decision to stop il Donald's stupid immigration order upheld. That's a conservative source Faith.
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Sure. There are likely a million and a half such folk in greater New York, another million in greater LA, a half million in Houston.
BUT all those millions of people actually live in houses or apartments, buy groceries, gas, clothes, they pay taxes, have kids that are US citizens attending US Public Schools, work in US stores, restaurants, factories, schools, hospitals, farms and businesses. They shop in the malls, eat at McDonalds and Pink's, drive cabs and ride buses and trains and no one even notices they are there or different.
That's a nice assertion but an empty one. Try harder.
It is not just an assertion; it is a statement backed up by the Canadian code on self-defense. I've already quoted the relevant law, but here it is again:
quote:34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.
(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if (a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and (b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.
Now, are you willing to support your claim that the law only mitigates your criminal liability rather than excusing it with something other than assertion? What do you think justification means?
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
quote:We hold that the Government has not shown a likelihood of success on the merits of its appeal, nor has it shown that failure to enter a stay would cause irreparable injury, and we therefore deny its emergency motion for a stay, the panel, from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, wrote in the decision Thursday.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
The irony in you is strong, isn't it? How many lies have you been caught in on just this forum, Faith? Do you really want to go there?
quote: never giving an inch, not a moment's grace, nothing. Pounce pounce pounce.
Reality never gives an inch, never a moment's grace, nothing. It will pounce, pounce, pounce upon you at ever turn. Yes, I know how disheartening it is to be told that you're wrong at every turn. After all, it can't possibly be the case that everything you say is false, right? Surely there has to be something that you're correct about, hasn't there?
No. No, there doesn't. So long as you keep repeating falsehoods and lies, you will be called out on it.
Every time.
If you don't like the treatment you are receiving, consider the behaviour you are engaging in and contemplate if that might have some connection. Your right to speak your mind does not come with a right to be free from response and criticism. Your right to your opinion does not bestow upon it any legitimacy or connection to reality.
quote:I have many times rejected conservative views.
Name one.
Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
Re: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stomps Trump Executive Order
So cheer, all you misquided lefties. Evil in the form of politically correct suicidal cowardly bleeding-heart mushheadedness has won another victory.
"On the one hand, the public has a powerful interest in national security and in the ability of an elected president to enact policies. And on the other, the public also has an interest in free flow of travel, in avoiding separation of families, and in freedom from discrimination."
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Faith writes:
quote: Evil in the form of politically correct suicidal cowardly bleeding-heart mushheadedness has won another victory.
Can you name a single terrorist attack here in the US from any of the countries in the Muslim ban?
No?
It would seem you have no idea what "politically correct" means, Faith. Your entire argument is nothing but political correctness. It is based not upon any sort of reality but solely upon a political position that you cannot deviate from lest you be thought of as "liberal."
If that is not textbook "political correctness," then you have no idea what that phrase means.
It would seem you have no idea what "suicidal" means. Since there haven't been any terrorist attacks from any of the people who are from those countries, one has to wonder why you are worried you are about to kill yourself.
And exactly how is it "cowardly" to take in those who are fleeing terrorism? After all, aren't you claiming that you're scared to death that "terrorists will follow"? Doesn't that make it brave and heroic to take in those who are fleeing terrorism even if it means a risk of having a "terrorist follow"?
That's what makes us the good guys, Faith: We rush into danger to help those who cannot fight it for themselves. We do so knowing full well that we may be hurt in the process. That's what makes us brave.
Your cowardly reaction shows you have no idea what "cowardly" means.
"Bleeding-heart"? That's the entire basis for Christ, Faith.
And you call yourself a Christian.
The irony is strong in you, isn't it?
Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
Re: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stomps Trump Executive Order
I'm sure all the lefties here now "feel better about themselves" because of your denunciation of the dissenter. It's you who doesn't know what political correctness is, you're just making it up to suit yourself, as usual. Or maybe you don't know what the word "textbook" means. Oh well, I could repeat my post and then you'd repeat yours and so what.
Re: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stomps Trump Executive Order
Faith writes:
I'm sure all the lefties here now "feel better about themselves" because of your denunciation of the dissenter. It's you who doesn't know what political correctness is, you're just making it up to suit yourself, as usual. Or maybe you don't know what the word "textbook" means. Oh well, I could repeat my post and then you'd repeat yours and so what.
But once again reality intrudes Faith to show you are wrong. Wrong again.
The Justice that granted the initial stay is a Conservative appointed by Bush and confirmed by the Senate and will serve for life.
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found unanimously in favor of his ruling.
This is not a left/right issue; it is a matter of the law. The Trump Presidency failed to provide any reasonable justification for his stupid immigration order.
If the Administration can't support the order or provide reasoning for the order why should it be put in place?
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Re: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stomps Trump Executive Order
Faith responds to me:
quote:I'm sure all the lefties here now "feel better about themselves" because of your denunciation of the dissenter.
Nope.
Nobody likes having to correct you, Faith. Remember, you spouted on an on about lying. Do you like being lied to? Then what makes you think we like being lied to, Faith?
The issue is not that you have a different opinion. It's that your justification for your opinion has no connection to reality and you don't seem to care.
quote: It's you who doesn't know what political correctness is, you're just making it up to suit yourself, as usual.
What a politically correct statement.
The irony is strong in you, isn't it? "Political correctness" is the taking of a position for the political cachet it gives you, not because it is connected to any sense of reality or even that you truly believe it. The right is just as "politically correct" as you claim the left is...just about different things. For example, the conservative position regarding equal rights for gays: To come out in favor of equality for those who aren't straight runs afoul of the politically correct position of conservatives. Despite the fact that we see conservatives behaving differently around gay people who are directly involved in their lives (see the Cheneys), they will still advocate for positions that directly harm those people because they cannot be politically incorrect.
Your very complaint about political correctness is, itself, a politically correct statement: Only the left can be "politically correct," right? To find that your own beliefs are based upon the political cachet you get by spouting them is anathema to you and you cannot consider the possibility.
Witness the political correctness of the right over their insistence that Obama "can't say 'Islamic terrorism.'" Despite the fact that this was never true (he routinely called out terrorism from those who practiced Islam and routinely used the specific phrase, "Islamic terrorism"), the fact that they were so insistent on the specific phrase, "Islamic terrorism," is proof that this was an exercise in political correctness: They were seeking a political position regardless of any connection to reality the situation may have. That's why they routinely called incidents that had no connection to either terrorism (not all criminal acts are terrorism) or Islam (not all terrorists are Muslim) as "Islamic terrorism." They didn't actually care about the terrorism. They didn't care about the people who were killed. They didn't care about actually protecting anybody from anything. They simply wanted to demonize a group of people and insisted that all discussion of the subject be couched in a specific, politically correct way.
Witness Trump's order to the US law enforcement agencies to stop investigating right-wing terrorist activities. This is a politically correct position to take: Most terrorism in the US is at the hands of right-wing, conservative, Christian groups (and in Europe, too, by the way). By telling law enforcement to stop investigating the most common form of terrorism in favor of the most rare is not out of any connection to reality but due to a political position and the cachet it gives among certain groups for stating it.
It's "virtue signaling."
It's political correctness.
"Run amuck," if you like.
quote:Or maybe you don't know what the word "textbook" means.
Textbook projection.
quote:Oh well, I could repeat my post and then you'd repeat yours and so what.
And every time you repeat yourself, you'll get corrected. At what point do you consider the possibility that perhaps you've made an error?
Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
Right wing bigoted assholes embolden right wing bigoted assholes. You know you done fucked up when the supreme leader of Iran is thanking Trump.
TEHRAN With Iran calibrating how to deal with President Trump, its supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, caustically thanked the new American leader on Tuesday for revealing the true face of the United States.
Now the Ayatollah can deride the opposing moderates and say, "see, you cannot trust or make deals with the great Satan!" And he is correct!
Mr. Trump seemed to be summarizing comments by his defense secretary, Jim Mattis, who on Sunday called Iran the biggest sponsor of state terrorism.
This is a demonstrable lie.
Many Iranians have expressed astonishment and ridicule at such assertions, pointing to terrorist groups that despise Iran and the West. First Al Qaeda, responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and more recently the Islamic State, which has been killing thousands in the Middle East and is responsible for committing and inspiring attacks in Europe and the United States.
So let me understand. Most here want Muslims to be free to enter the country with little or no vetting? Any restrictions at all?
There are good reasons to vet at least some, and possibly large numbers of Muslims. I don't know what anyone has said that could be taken otherwise, but I have not anything of the sort. There is a problem, however, with taking folks who are already vetted and packing them off to places where they may have little or no ties, without letting them consult a lawyer or to have any hearing whatsoever.
There may be some groups of Muslims for which the vetting need be no different from that applied to anyone else who asked either for asylum or to enter the country. But even those folks, if they are current green card holders or are students admitted on a visa, who have been vetted, and simply left the country to visit mom and dad on fall break, ought to have a hearing, possibly even with an attorney present before they are packed off for months.
I don't know where you get your ideas about what most of us are saying, but it certainly is not from our posts. Maybe your ideas flow freely from your ill-informed assumptions about what sleazy, lying, PC, lefties are about. At any rate, at least your ideas are entertaining but wrong. I want to hear more of them.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
Re: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stomps Trump Executive Order
I see that Faith, the traitor, is whining that tyranny has failed again, a victim of its own incompetence.
In any sensible analysis we would ask what "emergency" required lifting the stay. In the absence of one, or a clear error of law on the part of the deciding judge, naturally the restraining order should remain. The balance of harms also rather obviously favours leaving the order in place.
This result should not be a surprise to anyone, nor should anyone who favours justice and the rule of law be screaming against it.
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