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Author Topic:   Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
Faith 
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Message 607 of 993 (799391)
02-09-2017 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 605 by NoNukes
02-09-2017 7:41 PM


Re: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stomps Trump Executive Order
So cheer, all you misquided lefties. Evil in the form of politically correct suicidal cowardly bleeding-heart mushheadedness has won another victory.
"On the one hand, the public has a powerful interest in national security and in the ability of an elected president to enact policies. And on the other, the public also has an interest in free flow of travel, in avoiding separation of families, and in freedom from discrimination."
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Message 609 of 993 (799393)
02-09-2017 8:26 PM
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02-09-2017 8:16 PM


Re: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals stomps Trump Executive Order
I'm sure all the lefties here now "feel better about themselves" because of your denunciation of the dissenter. It's you who doesn't know what political correctness is, you're just making it up to suit yourself, as usual. Or maybe you don't know what the word "textbook" means. Oh well, I could repeat my post and then you'd repeat yours and so what.
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Message 613 of 993 (799406)
02-09-2017 11:02 PM


wondering
So let me understand. Most here want Muslims to be free to enter the country with little or no vetting? Any restrictions at all?
Same with people crossing our southern border? No deportations, some deportions?

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Message 629 of 993 (799442)
02-10-2017 11:37 AM
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02-10-2017 5:07 AM


Conservative opinion
Hi Faith.
The full text of the decision is posted above - and I'm led to understand that the decision was unanimous and that one of the three judges is a Republican nominee.
Does this go any way to persuading you that there might be some conservative opinion which believes the order was unconstitutional ?
I'm not asking you to change your mind on the issue itself - but do you acknowledge that even some conservatives hold a different view to yours ?
Not because one of the judges is a Republican, no, because there are unfortunately quite a few Republicans who are sabotaging Trump in various ways already.
What I mean about seeing conservative opinion on the subject is opinion that comes from political websites and blogs and talk shows. I'm sure I'll get to see and hear a lot of that over the next few days. I know I'll get flak for this but I'm not up to going and looking for it. It will come to me soon enough.
At this point I'd like to see Trump withdraw the first ban and draft a new one. Just seems simpler. Enough fighting already.

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Message 631 of 993 (799444)
02-10-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 624 by Dr Adequate
02-10-2017 10:00 AM


Case law
Actually I do remember all that, but I was impressed with a history program series I saw maybe a decade ago, The Truth Project, that documented a change from the original American legal system based on Biblical law, to case law, tracing the conservative complaint about the judiciary to that change. My memory about that program is probably where the problem lies. I'd like to see the series again; maybe I can borrow it.

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Message 632 of 993 (799446)
02-10-2017 11:49 AM
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02-10-2017 11:43 AM


Re: Conservative opinion
What on earth could he be impeached FOR? Doing stu/pid things as judged by liberals?
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Message 635 of 993 (799451)
02-10-2017 12:06 PM
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02-10-2017 11:54 AM


Re: Case law
Focus on the Family merely promoted the project; it's entirely the work of the lecturer, whose name escapes me at the moment.

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Message 636 of 993 (799452)
02-10-2017 12:07 PM
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02-10-2017 11:52 AM


Re: Conservative opinion
And sabotage is definitely not checks and balances; it's sabotage.

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Message 639 of 993 (799457)
02-10-2017 12:23 PM
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02-10-2017 12:21 PM


Re: Conservative opinion
I said nothing about sabotage of any specific action.

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Message 642 of 993 (799460)
02-10-2017 12:28 PM


Ninth District "Most Reversed" Court
As of a few years ago, the Ninth District Court has the distinction of being "the most reversed."
Although recent years have seen other circuits competing with the Ninth Circuit for the title of Most Reversed, the Ninth still appears to hold the unquestioned title.
Conservative sources frequently refer to this court as the "Circus Court."
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Message 643 of 993 (799461)
02-10-2017 12:29 PM
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02-10-2017 12:27 PM


Re: Conservative opinion
Oh fer... Can't make a general statement in the context of a specific topic?

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Message 646 of 993 (799473)
02-10-2017 1:32 PM


One Conservative Opinion
Infowars commentator says the court simply usurped the role of the President; the law is crystal clear that the power is the President's.

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Message 652 of 993 (799480)
02-10-2017 3:22 PM


Another Conservative Opinion
Another commentator at Infowars is saying the Constitution itself defines the jurisdiction of the President as covering immigration and national security, another fact that puts the court in the wrong.
Otherwise I haven't had time to listen/read other conservative opinions. Did catch a caller to a conservative talk show calling the judges "criminal."
I give these reports as a public service to information-challenged liberals/leftists.
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Message 653 of 993 (799481)
02-10-2017 3:24 PM
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02-10-2017 3:07 PM


Re: Extreme Vetting
I do confess to being Terrorismphobic. Can we add that to the PC arsenal?

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Message 654 of 993 (799484)
02-10-2017 3:38 PM


I've got Infowars talking away in the background as I type and just realized this report by David Knight is chock full of interesting historical facts that I'm only getting bits and pieces of. Stuff about fights between the Presidency and the Supreme Court in many different administrations down the years, when as he says both the President and the SCOTUS were at fault on different issues in different eras. Lincoln was very wrong about habeas corpus for instance but when Chief Justice Marshall told him that was unconstitutional, Lincoln threatened to have him arrested. Since I'm only getting bits and pieces I may have some of this a bit off.
Lots of other battles went by I couldn't even venture to report to this extent. And now he's got another really interesting guy on discussing the ruling.
It's so frustrating to get such important information in an audio format.
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