Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response

Actually I just need to get the conservative point of view to counter the effect of the wall of liberal/leftist opinion at EvC. I don't know yet exactly where my own opinion will end up.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So here's Frontpagemag on the subject: I am of course very pleased to find out that my own rough judgments of the ruling are confirmed by many of the opinions I'm discovering. Shows I really do think like a conservative -- meaning, of course, that I'm tuned into the Constitution and to Truth. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Islam itself is ideologically terrorist. Period.

Not a lie.109 verses in the Koran calling for fighting and killing for Allah -- and something I just read said it's really 123 -- plus the example of Mohammed's murdering methods of "converting" people to Islam, is proof enough, iif jihadist actions all over the world today don't convince you.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

"Political Correctness" has a well-established application, referring to Leftist/Marxist/Communist ideology, which is formulaic, canned, pedantic, and used to intimidate. Citizens of countries where Communism took over experienced what it means as they had no freedom to speak without worrying about who was listening and what consequences they might have to endure from the state if they happened to say something that could be construed to be against the state or Communist doctrine.That was the original context. Then when it moved to America it took on the content of Cultural Marxism that took off particularly in the sixties in the universities. As I personally remember it, it started as a formulaic attack on America as "imperialist," and then came the accusations of sexism, homophobia, racism and so on. That's where it all started and it always has the same aim and effect: to shut people up who don't agree with the Marxist agenda. Say the wrong thing and you'll be scowled down and upbraided for your "insensitivity." Happens every day at EvC, happens every day wherever a leftist encounters a conservative opinion. It is what is operating right now in all the anti-Trump stuff, and operating now to keep Europeans from even mentioning the problems they are having with their burgeoning Muslim population for fear of being branded "racist" and losing job, reputation etc.The classic article on the subject can be found on the web, written by William Lind.There is nothing similar in conservatism. That's all your own invention.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

None in the Bible. Shown over and over and over here . Bible descriptions of violence do not address readers. Koran advocates violent action by the reader.The Inquisition was CATHOLIC and it KILLED PREDOMINANTLY BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIANS.I guess you just don't read much around here do you?:Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The PC is thick on this very thread, aimed against me, who else?

As long as you call Catholicism Christian (and I'm not talking about individual Catholics, I'm talking about CatholiCISM which is political and comes down from the Vatican) you will give a false view of history. As I said, BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIANS were the MAIN victims of the Inquisition. Pogroms were also a mainly Catholic enterprise against the Jews. You really know nothing about history.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm sorry, I've answered this stuff so many times I'm just weary of it. Maybe I'll get a second wind and come back to it but right now it's asking too much, especially when nothing I say matters one iota to anyone here. Way too much to ask.Just for a sketch:The Bible passages are HISTORY. The first one is God's Law as He gave it to Israel. It is telling them how to deal with violations of the Law. It is not talking to the reader of the Bible; it is an instruction for the elders of Israel to apply to specific circumstances.
Deuteronomy is also instruction to ancient Israel.Luke is telling us the spiritual consequence of behavior. Not telling anyone to DO anything at all.NO, THE BIBLE DOES NOT ORDER ANYONE TO KILL. The Old testament REPORTS on what GOD ordered people to do in ancient times.The Koran DOES give instructions TO THE READER, to attack and kill people NOW.You could learn something if you took what I'm saying seriously. All you are doing is regurgitating antichristian dogma. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The idealism of the Left which is expressed in that post can only give a biblically taught Christian deep despair for America and the world, because the reality of evil is completely denied in it. And that gives evil great power to proliferate, and especially to express itself through that very misguided idealism. Communism for instance sounds good on paper, but in reality it can't exist without murdering people, because all utopian systems try to squash reality into a small box that leaves more of reality outside. But since the utopia is held with fervor that reality has to be exterminated to bring it about. THEN will come the Perfect Society. Etc etc etc.I keep having this ...feeling? ... concern? ... premonition? ...paranoia? ... that because of the extreme opposition to Trump the hope his election gave so many of us may still go down in flames. A hope, ironically enough, for the very values the Left thinks it represents but doesn't. The Left and the powers behind the Left may yet succeed in defeating this surge of goodness and hope for a renewal of prosperity, national strength and unity, and Constitutional liberty, and bring about their globalist tyranny over once-sovereign America, and in fact the world. Partly because there are truly malevolent forces on the Left that the Left refuses to recognize, but also because of this sort of idealism that misreads what it takes to establish freedom in a fallen world.Since we've gone from any semblance of "peaceful transference of power" to violent methods of opposing the elected political position with no signs of remorse or intention of de-escalating, Trump would have to have supernatural ability to continue as he has been doing. He talks of God but I don't know how much of a believer he really is -- fairly superficial at this point I would think but maybe he's learning that what he's up against is bigger than politics and bigger than even prodigious human strength can deal with. I hope he prays, as many of us are praying for him. He may be able to continue for some time yet, and I hope so, but already he looks terribly tired in his pictures. He has bags under his eyes he didn't have a short time ago.

The point of all this is that although God is certainly giving us a reprieve in Trump, judgment on America and on all the nations of the world is still proceeding and may finally lead sooner than we'd anticipated to the globalist nightmare we Trump supporters have been hoping to stop. Biblical prophecy tells us it has to come sometime, and the signs have been growing for decades that it is getting closer every day, and reached some kind of peak with Obama, but the Trump win and Brexit and other signs of nations reclaiming some of their lost sovereignty seemed to promise a stay of execution at least for a while. But the forces of evil -- that are mistaken for good these days -- are not only not going away, they seem to be gathering power. Evil power. In some cases in the name of good.I hope I'm wrong. I hope the true hope lasts. I just keep having this...foreboding.Of course it's not a foreboding for most at EvC. Anything that would turn back Trump's win would be welcome, as it would be for the Left in general, because he's considered to be the evil that needs to be stopped. And besides, anyone who talks as I am talking here is obviously not to be taken seriously.Upshot: Maybe, just maybe,the world is about to take a turn into the "Great Tribulation" or "The Day of the Lord" when God's wrath descends on the planet with unprecedented horrors and destruction for some period before the Lord Jesus returns.I've neverbeen completely convinced of the theology of the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture," but I've been even less convinced of other end times theologies. And I recently read a book about the Rapture (author Billy Crone) that resolved many ofmy doubts -- not all but many. Enough in any case to go with it provisionally for now.America is no doubt the highest profile nation in the world, and the name Trump has an awfully biblical sound to it. Hint? Omen? I don't know, I just keep having this foreboding because of the way the world has been going.That passage is considered to be THE prophecy of the pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Rapture is expected to come unexpectedly, suddenly, without warning, taking "the Bride of Christ" off the planet to be with Him forever. That is a wonderful thing for me and other believers; not so much those who have rejected Christ.The Rapure is to usher in a seven-year period when the world that is left behind goes through the Great Tribulation or God's Wrath or the Day of the Lord. A horrible time not to be wished on anyone. And since I have unsaved family I don't want to see them go through it.But for the sake of those who will go through it, listen up: If this prophecy is true there will be a huge number of people saved during it, at great cost, through enormous suffering, but saved for eternal life by believing the gospel you refused to believe before. Beheadings will be one of the horrors. (Most of this is in the Book of Revelation), and beheadings are of course a hallmark of Islam. Islam is pretty much already set up to play such a role if all this comes down soon. And of course as I keep saying, I believe the Pope is what the Protestant reformers said he is: the Antichrist. Islam and the RCC are linked in some biblical symbols as the two halves of the revived Roman Empire that is to rule the world at the end. And it's not going to be your happy "American" utopia, that's for sure.(Huge numbers of Catholics and Muslims will of course be saved}But maybe Soros is the Antichrist instead. Or somebody else. In any case the Pope is going to be right up there with him/One good thing in all that is that the Great Tribulation is to exist for a particular period of time, after which Jesus will return. It is possible to calculate that time from biblical prophecy in the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation. The Rapture is to come unexpectedly, as "a thief in the night," but the Second Coming will come according to a biblically given time frame."Repent and believe the gospel" is always the way to salvation and it would be better to do it now rather than wait to go through the Great Tribulation.But maybe the Rapture won't come for a long time yet. Maybe my forebodings are premature.Laugh away, poor EvC.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It still isn't clear what orders ICE is acting on. Trump hasn't issued any deportation orders that I'm aware of.

Not if the laws they are acting under came from Obama.

Agencies don't stop acting under the previous administration's orders when a new administration comes into power, they continue as usual until they have new orders. I suspect this is just one of those typical attempts to pin something on Trump that has nothing to do with anything he's done. You have to do better than assign him the responsibility just because he's now the President. You have to show that the deportations are the result of his orders and not just business as usual or a step-up with another cause than Trump. You obviously don't know, you are just assuming.
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If previous orders are no longer in force and Trump has issued no new orders, ICE should be doing nothing at all.You are assuming a lot, that's all. You want to complain about Trump but you can't show that he's ordered the deportations you are complaining about. You really don't know what's going on at all.I'd like to know what Trump wants to do about illegal aliens in the country. I hope he will come out with a clear plan soon. The point is that so far I'm not aware of his laying out a plan or giving any orders about it or saying anything along such lines. If he has you ought to be able to show it to me.Meanwhile it just sounds like you love complaining about Trump and that's all there is to this whole subject.

I guess it was on the other thread that I acknowledged your information and thanked you for it.