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RAZD
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Message 519 of 993 (799227)
02-08-2017 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 500 by vimesey
02-08-2017 1:25 AM


Re: Gotta love those double standards.
GOP Celebrates Black History Month by approving a racist for AG and not allowing a letter from Loretta Scott King to be read.
Pathetic.
So let's get this straight: if a senator is picked for any position that needs senate approval, it is not allowed to say anything detrimental to his qualifications even though that is the duty of the senate.
So senators get preferential treatment that amounts to a free pass?
Somehow I don't see how that is anywhere in the constitution.
Does Sessions recuse himself from the vote? Rather a large conflict of interest imho.
Sad.

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Message 520 of 993 (799229)
02-08-2017 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 502 by Faith
02-08-2017 3:45 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
Defeat people in war and you have to let them into your country to behead your citizens? Excuse me?
How many Germans and Japanese have immigrated to the US since WWII?
quote:
List of people who were beheaded - United States
For beheadings before 1776, see European New World colonies.
  • At least 21 insurgent black slaves executed (1811) after the German Coast Uprising near New Orleans, Louisiana. Their heads were displayed on pikes and gates as a warning
  • Isaac N. Ebey (1857) — Washington state pioneer murdered by Haida Indians
  • Pearl Bryan (1896) — Murdered in Fort Thomas, Kentucky
  • Tom Ketchum (1901) — accidentally decapitated in New Mexico Territory in botched hanging for train robbery
  • Gordon Reid and Ruby Ellen Shaffer (1952) — decapitated in racing car crash[citation needed]
  • Denny Keith (1964) — decapitated in racing car crash
  • Charles Bassett (1966) — decapitated in crash of jet aircraft
  • Les Ritchey (1966) — decapitated in drag racing crash
  • Ken Kotalac (1969) — decapitated in drag bike racing crash
  • Franois Cevert (1973) — cut in pieces in racing car crash
  • Helmuth Koinigg (1974) — decapitated in racing car crash
  • 16 Victims of Jeffrey Dahmer (1978—1991)
  • Boris Sagal (1981) — partially decapitated by helicopter
  • Vic Morrow and Myca Dinh Le (1982) — decapitated by crashing helicopter during film shoot
  • Christa Hoyt (1990) — decapitated by serial killer Danny Rolling
  • Russell Phillips (1995) — decapitated in racing car crash
  • Robert Lees (2004) — decapitated by murderer
  • Randy Fry (2004) — decapitated by a great white shark[30]
  • Katie Flynn (2005) — decapitated in car crash [31]
  • Aasiya Zubair (2009) — decapitated in New York state by murderer/husband Muzzammil Hassan
  • Hanny Tawadros and Amgad Konds (2013) — decapitated posthumously, allegedly by murderer Yusef Ibrahim [32]
  • Patricia Ward (2014) — decapitated in her son's apartment in New York City by her deranged son then dragged to the street. Witness initially thought it was a part of a Halloween display. The son then committed suicide by jumping in front of a train.[33]
  • Colleen Hufford (2014) — 54-year-old woman was decapitated in Oklahoma by a 30-year-old pro-Jihad, Islamist, Jah'Keem Yisrael, formerly Alton Alexander Nolen. Jah'Keem reportedly began a second beheading and sliced the neck of Tracey Johnson. Jah'Keem was ultimately stopped by Vaughn Foods employee who privately kept a gun for protection.
  • Caleb Schwab (2016) - Caleb, the 10-year-old son of Kansas state representative Scott Schwab, was decapitated while sliding down the world's tallest water slide (Verrckt) at Schlitterbahn Kansas City in Kansas City, Kansas.[34] State officials in Kansas announced in November 2016 that the water slide would be demolished because of the incident, despite being the world's tallest water slide.[35]

So only two beheadings of Americans from a "pro-Jihad, Islamist" in 2014 ... out of "3.3 million (1% of the U.S. population, 2016)" muslims in America
You are more likely to be beheaded by an American (Jeffrey Dahmer, Danny Rolling), and you are way more likely to be killed by an American over some silly dispute (road-rage?) sadly. Fear is not reason.
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RAZD
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Message 537 of 993 (799262)
02-08-2017 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 522 by Faith
02-08-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Gotta love those double standards.
From everything I've read Sessions has an excellent civil rights record. ...
But the sources you read are right wing propaganda more often than not. When they all come from privileged white men the selection for open mind discussion is negative
... This accusation of racism is false.
According to your underinformed opinion, which you are free to say.
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Message 538 of 993 (799263)
02-08-2017 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 529 by vimesey
02-08-2017 12:28 PM


Re: Gotta love those double standards.
So let's get this straight: if a senator is picked for any position that needs senate approval, it is not allowed to say anything detrimental to his qualifications even though that is the duty of the senate.
Yeah, they're delicate little flowers aren't they ;-)
It's just the Senate coughing up some weird Senate rule to stifle criticism and debate. Politics in action, in all its admirable glory.
And yet Senator Tom Udall and Senator Bernie Sanders read the letter without interruption or sanctioning.
Sadly that just makes it misogyny to only sanction the woman reading a woman's letter.
Pathetic.

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Message 709 of 993 (799570)
02-11-2017 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 650 by NosyNed
02-10-2017 2:50 PM


Re: Rule of Law - a little rebellion is necessary...
Americans, particularly, worry about despotism and often feel that they need to be armed to be able to prevent it.
Maybe it's time to update this little document ...
quote:
Declaration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
quote:
A little rebellion...
... The second state(a) has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it’s evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem(b). Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Paris, January 30, 17872
(a) "... governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, ... "
(b) "I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude." (also rendered as "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."

Indeed small rebellions have resulted in greater good, with women's liberation, civil rights, etc. What we are seeing now is rebellion on a large scale that has been fermenting for a while. Trump elected because of rebellion against the status quo, protests against Trump to rein in his grab for power and restore the constitutional rule of law.
But this doesn't solve - or even attack - the root causes behind current economic situations for working people: income inequality and loss of true wages for any but the ultra rich. The congress buckling under the rule of corporations to dictate laws and regulations.
This will necessitate a rebellion on a larger scale than any seen recently, if not a second revolution. Power does not give up power willingly.
It appears some individual here are having trouble understanding what a nation is. As an example, The USA is not it's lakes mountains and B-52s.
Curiously, I like to think about a "Virtual America" that exists without arbitrary geographic borders or delineations: a country of the mind founded on freedom, liberty, respect for fellow humans, justice, equality under the law, pursuit of happiness and basic human rights (see UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights for a start).
This "Virtual America" has no restrictions on membership, all humans are eligible, it is voluntary, and nobody can revoke your citizenship or take it away from you.
I give my allegiance to these basic concepts
For all people: To the pursuit of happiness,
To freedom, liberty, equality, respect, and justice,
And to preserving our inalienable human rights
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Message 711 of 993 (799574)
02-11-2017 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 710 by Faith
02-11-2017 10:31 AM


Re: Leftist Utopian Dreams are really a horrific nightmare for humanity
Extremist right wing babble not worth detailed reply.
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