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jar
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Message 644 of 993 (799462)
02-10-2017 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 641 by ringo
02-10-2017 12:27 PM


Re: Conservative opinion
That really might be a great example of sabotage. It was poorly written, poorly presented, poorly executed, poorly defended and poorly thought out.
Every single stage was designed to insure failure.

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jar
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Message 672 of 993 (799508)
02-10-2017 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by Faith
02-10-2017 4:08 PM


one size don't fit all.
Faith writes:
Actually I just need to get the conservative point of view to counter the effect of the wall of liberal/leftist opinion at EvC.
Faith, I am a Conservative and a Republican and a Christian. My point of view differs in many things from yours. That does not mean that I am not a Christian, Conservative Republican.
Sorry Faith but them's the facts.

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jar
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Message 691 of 993 (799532)
02-10-2017 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 690 by Riggamortis
02-10-2017 8:23 PM


Re: Extreme Vetting
When it comes to genocide no group has ever been more successful at it than Christianity.

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jar
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Message 696 of 993 (799538)
02-10-2017 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 695 by Faith
02-10-2017 9:16 PM


Re: Extreme Vetting
Roman Catholics ARE Christians Faith and the Inquisitions and pogroms went on for long, long periods of times while Christians killed Christians and anyone who was not a Christian. Oh, and also confiscated their wealth and property and also drove them out of the country.
Nobody does genocide as well and effectively as Christians.

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jar
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Message 702 of 993 (799544)
02-10-2017 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 700 by Faith
02-10-2017 9:35 PM


Re: Extreme Vetting
Sorry Faith but Roman Catholics are Bible Believing Christians.
You really seem to have a problem with reality.
Pogroms were common and done by the Christian Party in power.

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jar
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Message 705 of 993 (799547)
02-10-2017 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 701 by Rrhain
02-10-2017 9:40 PM


Re: Extreme Vetting
And that simply isn't true. Well, it isn't true if we're taking your logic. The Crusades were primarily for the retaking of the Holy Lands from the Muslims, but it had a secondary attempt to conquer the Eastern Church.
And as a matter of fact it was the Muslim Caliph that was the guarantor of safe passage for Christians to visit the sacred Christian and Jewish sites in the Middle East.

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jar
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Message 712 of 993 (799577)
02-11-2017 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 710 by Faith
02-11-2017 10:31 AM


Re: Leftist Utopian Dreams are really a horrific nightmare for humanity
Faith writes:
Anything that would turn back Trump's win would be welcome, as it would be for the Left in general, because he's considered to be the evil that needs to be stopped.
Not at all true. I don't think Trump is seen as necessarily evil, just really stupid; woefully ignorant, narcissistic, greedy, not really acceptable for polite company as my momma would say.
If there is an antichrist though il Donald certainly fits all the characteristics far more than anyone else in prominence today.

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jar
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Message 729 of 993 (799692)
02-13-2017 11:29 AM


You can go home again:
It seems that the facts (despite what il Donald claims) about Mexicans is that since around 2009 more Mexicans have chosen to leave the US than have come into the US.
source.

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jar
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Message 731 of 993 (799732)
02-14-2017 9:39 AM


And now from the Old Dominion...
As Trump seems to have decided that going to the Supreme Court right now is a lost cause and so tries to get the 9th to do a Mulligan, the Old Dominion has taken a different tack with an Establishment Clause decision using statements from il Donald, Giuliani and other of il Donalds sycophants as the basic evidence to find a high probability that any Establishment Clause challenge would find the order was unconstitutional.
quote:
Brinkema following a hearing on the issues this past week pointed to Trump’s campaign statements calling for a ban on Muslim immigration and more recent statements by Trump adviser Rudolph Giuliani about being asked to help craft such a ban as evidence that the executive order was not motivated by rational national security concerns.
The Commonwealth has produced unrebutted evidence supporting its position that it is likely to succeed on an Establishment Clause claim, Brinkema wrote. The ‘Muslim ban’ was a centerpiece of the president’s campaign for months, and the press release calling for it was still available on his website as of the day this Memorandum Opinion is being entered.
Brinkema went on to say in a footnote that she gave little weight to statements from administration officials that the travel ban was not targeted at Muslims, since they were made after legal challenges were filed.
source:

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jar
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Message 732 of 993 (800929)
03-02-2017 7:10 AM


And today the kinder gentler ICE ...
The Washington Post has a story today titled "ICE nabs young ‘dreamer’ applicant after she speaks out at a news conference".
Daniela Vargas was brought to the US with her family fifteen years ago when she was 7 years old. Her family was here on a visitors visa but fell in love with the US, overstayed their visa and built a new life. For 15 years the educated their kids, worked, payed taxes. Daniela registered under the DARE program, the one that Trump says would continue and that he would protect the DARE kids.
About two weeks ago ICE came to their home and arrested her father and brother. For some reason not specified they did not arrest her.
Last Wednesday she was one of the speakers at a rally opposing the current deportation frenzy.
quote:
Today my father and brother await deportation, she said, while I continue to fight this battle as a dreamer to help contribute to this country which I feel that is very much my country.
source
The story continues:
quote:
After leaving the news conference with her friend, two law enforcement cars pulled her over. ICE agents reportedly opened the car door, telling Vargas, you know who we are and you know why we’re here, her friend, Jordan Sanders, told Univision. Then, they handcuffed her and took her into custody.
Now the only question is whether or not Trump lied yet again or will he step up and do the honorable thing and call off the deportation of Daniela and her family members who are NOT badass rapists and murderers.

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jar
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Message 734 of 993 (800950)
03-02-2017 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 733 by Faith
03-02-2017 8:56 AM


Re: And today the kinder gentler ICE ...
Faith writes:
It still isn't clear what orders ICE is acting on. Trump hasn't issued any deportation orders that I'm aware of.
Sorry Faith but this is the Trump Administration. Those people working for Trump and their acts are HIS responsibility.

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jar
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Message 736 of 993 (800953)
03-02-2017 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 735 by Faith
03-02-2017 9:02 AM


Re: And today the kinder gentler ICE ...
Faith writes:
Not if the laws they are acting under came from Obama.
Laws? Trump don't need no stinking laws.
Sorry Faith, it does not matter when a law was passed or under what Administration. Trump has the power to stop the pogrom but instead he seems to be encouraging it.
Anything done under the Trump Administration is the responsibility of Trump. Yes, I know he loves to delegate guilt but unfortunately he is President and so it is his responsibility no matter how he tries to shift the blame.

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jar
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Message 738 of 993 (800957)
03-02-2017 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 737 by Faith
03-02-2017 9:13 AM


Re: And today the kinder gentler ICE ...
Faith writes:
Agencies don't stop acting under the previous administration's orders when a new administration comes into power, they continue as usual until they have new orders. I suspect this is just one of those typical attempts to pin something on Trump that has nothing to do with anything he's done. You have to do better than assign him the responsibility just because he's now the President. You have to show that the deportations are the result of his orders and not just business as usual or a step-up with another cause than Trump. You obviously don't know, you are just assuming.
Responsibility stops when the holder of the office changes. Sorry Faith but it really is that simple.

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jar
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Message 740 of 993 (800964)
03-02-2017 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 739 by Faith
03-02-2017 9:48 AM


Re: And today the kinder gentler ICE ...
Faith writes:
If previous orders are no longer in force and Trump has issued no new orders, ICE should be doing nothing at all.
You are assuming a lot, that's all. You want to complain about Trump but you can't show that he's ordered the deportations you are complaining about. You really don't know what's going on at all.
I'd like to know what Trump wants to do about illegal aliens in the country. I hope he will come out with a clear plan soon. The point is that so far I'm not aware of his laying out a plan or giving any orders about it or saying anything along such lines. If he has you ought to be able to show it to me.
Meanwhile it just sounds like you love complaining about Trump and that's all there is to this whole subject.
Utter nonsense Faith.
The responsibility is still Trumps. End of subject.

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jar
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Message 745 of 993 (801187)
03-03-2017 7:01 PM


ICE makes the US safer yet again.
California father detained by ICE while dropping off kids at school.
ICE removing yet another Badass off the streets to make America Great Again was reported by SFGate.
This criminal was caught transporting kids in his car and safely removed to be deported. The thirteen year old in the car was able to take a video of the rescue from the 48 year old illegal alien who had been hiding in the US for over two decades and had a criminal record of a DUI only a decade ago and had even purchased a car with an improper registration merely two decades ago.
Today the streets of Los Angeles are a little bit safer.
quote:
Romulo Avelica-Gonzalez, a father in the Highland Park area of Los Angeles, was on his way to drop off one of his four daughters at school Tuesday when U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers wearing police jackets pulled him over and detained him.
One of his daughters, 13-year-old Fatima Avelica, filmed the ordeal while sitting in the car with her mother.
"I was scared and sad at the same time," Fatima told CNN. "I never thought I would have to experience something like this in my life...on my way to school."
You're safe now Fatima.
Edited by jar, : fix quote box

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