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Author Topic:   Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
ringo
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Message 641 of 993 (799459)
02-10-2017 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 639 by Faith
02-10-2017 12:23 PM


Re: Conservative opinion
Faith writes:
I said nothing about sabotage of any specific action.
The thread is about, "Trump's order on immigration." What did you think we were talking about?

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ringo
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Message 645 of 993 (799463)
02-10-2017 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 643 by Faith
02-10-2017 12:29 PM


Re: Conservative opinion
Faith writes:
Oh fer... Can't make a general statement in the context of a specific topic?
Of course you can - but don't complain when people respond on-topic.

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ringo
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Message 713 of 993 (799579)
02-11-2017 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 707 by NoNukes
02-10-2017 10:21 PM


Re: jurisdiction
NoNukes writes:
Justification, which is what Canada law offers, is complete excusal of criminal punishment for your actions.
Maybe you can give some examples of where that has ever happened.

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ringo
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Message 715 of 993 (799583)
02-11-2017 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 714 by Tangle
02-11-2017 11:04 AM


Re: jurisdiction
Tangle writes:
Well there's quite a few here:
Sorry - we can't find that page
quote:
Prosecutors later dropped the kidnapping and weapons charges against Chen and his two employees, but went ahead with the other charges in which the three men were eventually found not guilty.
That's not letting them off scot-free; it's pursuing a lesser charge.
Tangle writes:
If you can show that you acted to protect yourself you either won't be charged or you'll be found not guilty at trial. But you must be acting reasonably and not excessively.
Yes, BUT. If you can not convince the court that you acted reasonably - and the onus is on YOU - you can be convicted of a lesser charge.
Tangle writes:
If you do act beyond what is reasonable you may be able to mitigate your sentence by demonstrating that 'he started it' or 'I lost my temper and couldn't control myself' etc But you're still guilty of assault or worse.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Tangle writes:
But I don't know why you're still pursuing this....
I'm not pursuing anything. I'm being pursued.

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ringo
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Message 719 of 993 (799635)
02-12-2017 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 716 by Tangle
02-11-2017 12:53 PM


Re: jurisdiction
Tangle writes:
ringo writes:
That's not letting them off scot-free
It is you know
No it isn't. Your own example says that the prosecutors, "went ahead with the other charges." They could have been convicted on the other charges, even if they weren't. The prosecutors had a backup plan to prevent them from getting off scot-free, as they always would.
Tangle writes:
... the second is mitigation which is used by your brilliant lawyer to reduce the sentence....
I realize that the term "mitigation" has a specific connotation in legalese. I wasn't using it that way. If you have a better term for what actually happens, I'm all ears.

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ringo
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Message 720 of 993 (799636)
02-12-2017 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 717 by Modulous
02-11-2017 1:14 PM


Re: jurisdiction
Modulous writes:
Provocation is mitigatory.
Self-defence is exculpatory.
Since provocation is an integral part of a self-defence claim, the two can not be separated.

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ringo
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Message 723 of 993 (799642)
02-12-2017 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 721 by Modulous
02-12-2017 1:39 PM


Re: jurisdiction
Modulous writes:
Sorry, I thought you were having a legal argument, not a semantic one.
You keep trying to make distinctions out of molehills.

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ringo
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Message 724 of 993 (799643)
02-12-2017 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 722 by Tangle
02-12-2017 1:51 PM


Re: jurisdiction
Tangle writes:
There's no reason to suppose there was any thought of a lessor charge at this stage because of some kind of mitigation.
There's always thought of lesser charges right from the beginning. That's why there's always a slew of charges, some of which may be dropped for one reason or another and some of which may be dismissed for one reason or another and some of which may be defeated for one reason or another. Prosecutors don't waste the taxpayers' money on one magical charge and say, "Oh dearie me, better luck next time," if it fails.
Tangle writes:
There is no word for what you're trying to say because the law doesn't work the way you think it does.
I'm just going by what I see in the news, and your own examples.

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ringo
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Message 726 of 993 (799650)
02-12-2017 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 725 by Tangle
02-12-2017 2:35 PM


Re: jurisdiction
Tangle writes:
... I gave you their decision making principles.
What you think you know about the universal, world-wide "decision-making principles" of all prosecutors doesn't seem to agree with the facts.

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ringo
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Message 728 of 993 (799690)
02-13-2017 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 727 by Tangle
02-12-2017 3:16 PM


Re: jurisdiction
Tangle writes:
Canada adopts most of our legal processes but if you think you know better.....
I was talking about Canada and the examples you gave were from Canada.

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ringo
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Message 771 of 993 (801916)
03-10-2017 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 759 by Faith
03-10-2017 3:55 AM


Re: It looks like five States will now sue
Faith writes:
Yes, because it doesn't matter what "legal" justification anyone can make up for it, such a justification can only be Leftist revisionism....
The Leftist Lock key on your keyboard seems to be stuck. Is it possible for you to write a post without some inane reference to "leftists"?

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ringo
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Message 826 of 993 (806184)
04-23-2017 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 798 by Larni
04-22-2017 6:53 PM


Re: wondering
Larni writes:
He's two now (where does the time go?).
I can't seem to figure out how to up load a pic of the little tyke, though
In a few months he'll be able to show you how.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 902 of 993 (811054)
06-04-2017 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 898 by Faith
06-04-2017 1:40 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
Faith writes:
I think it's interesting that nothing has been said about this here.
What do you have to say about the recent terrorist attack in Canada? (6 Muslims killed in an attack on a mosque.)

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 918 of 993 (811152)
06-05-2017 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 917 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 11:27 AM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
New Cat's Eye writes:
I'll stop being religious when God stops responding.
That's what I did.

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ringo
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Message 922 of 993 (811167)
06-05-2017 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 921 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2017 1:12 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
New Cat's Eye writes:
When's the last time you honestly sought and submitted to Him?
Copout. If He doesn't respond it's because I'm No True Christian, I'm not honestly seeking him or submitting to Him.

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