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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The thread is about, "Trump's order on immigration." What did you think we were talking about?
I said nothing about sabotage of any specific action.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Of course you can - but don't complain when people respond on-topic.
Oh fer... Can't make a general statement in the context of a specific topic?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Maybe you can give some examples of where that has ever happened.
Justification, which is what Canada law offers, is complete excusal of criminal punishment for your actions.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
quote:That's not letting them off scot-free; it's pursuing a lesser charge. Tangle writes:
Yes, BUT. If you can not convince the court that you acted reasonably - and the onus is on YOU - you can be convicted of a lesser charge.
If you can show that you acted to protect yourself you either won't be charged or you'll be found not guilty at trial. But you must be acting reasonably and not excessively. Tangle writes:
That's exactly what I'm saying.
If you do act beyond what is reasonable you may be able to mitigate your sentence by demonstrating that 'he started it' or 'I lost my temper and couldn't control myself' etc But you're still guilty of assault or worse. Tangle writes:
I'm not pursuing anything. I'm being pursued.
But I don't know why you're still pursuing this....
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
No it isn't. Your own example says that the prosecutors, "went ahead with the other charges." They could have been convicted on the other charges, even if they weren't. The prosecutors had a backup plan to prevent them from getting off scot-free, as they always would.
ringo writes:
It is you know That's not letting them off scot-free Tangle writes:
I realize that the term "mitigation" has a specific connotation in legalese. I wasn't using it that way. If you have a better term for what actually happens, I'm all ears.
... the second is mitigation which is used by your brilliant lawyer to reduce the sentence....
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Modulous writes:
Since provocation is an integral part of a self-defence claim, the two can not be separated.
Provocation is mitigatory.Self-defence is exculpatory.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Modulous writes:
You keep trying to make distinctions out of molehills.
Sorry, I thought you were having a legal argument, not a semantic one.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
There's always thought of lesser charges right from the beginning. That's why there's always a slew of charges, some of which may be dropped for one reason or another and some of which may be dismissed for one reason or another and some of which may be defeated for one reason or another. Prosecutors don't waste the taxpayers' money on one magical charge and say, "Oh dearie me, better luck next time," if it fails.
There's no reason to suppose there was any thought of a lessor charge at this stage because of some kind of mitigation. Tangle writes:
I'm just going by what I see in the news, and your own examples.
There is no word for what you're trying to say because the law doesn't work the way you think it does.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
What you think you know about the universal, world-wide "decision-making principles" of all prosecutors doesn't seem to agree with the facts.
... I gave you their decision making principles.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
I was talking about Canada and the examples you gave were from Canada.
Canada adopts most of our legal processes but if you think you know better.....
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The Leftist Lock key on your keyboard seems to be stuck. Is it possible for you to write a post without some inane reference to "leftists"?
Yes, because it doesn't matter what "legal" justification anyone can make up for it, such a justification can only be Leftist revisionism....
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Larni writes:
In a few months he'll be able to show you how.
He's two now (where does the time go?).I can't seem to figure out how to up load a pic of the little tyke, though
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
What do you have to say about the recent terrorist attack in Canada? (6 Muslims killed in an attack on a mosque.)
I think it's interesting that nothing has been said about this here.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
That's what I did.
I'll stop being religious when God stops responding.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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New Cat's Eye writes:
Copout. If He doesn't respond it's because I'm No True Christian, I'm not honestly seeking him or submitting to Him.
When's the last time you honestly sought and submitted to Him?
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