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Author Topic:   Atheism Cannot Rationally Explain Morals.
Riggamortis
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Message 243 of 1006 (799782)
02-15-2017 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Dawn Bertot
02-14-2017 11:44 PM


Re: No need to shout mate
You're just avoiding my point and repeating a point that has been conceded a thousand times in this very thread. I don't care that my position requires that there is no such thing as an absolute right or wrong. It's irrelevant. I decide what is right and wrong for me and you decide for you. I'm happy with that.
Until you can demonstrate that an absolute right or wrong does exist, you're up shit creek with no paddle. We all know that subjective right and wrong does exist in reality, it's the thoughts in people's heads. So your argument against our morality is moot.

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Riggamortis
Member (Idle past 2411 days)
Posts: 167
From: Australia
Joined: 08-15-2016


Message 270 of 1006 (799884)
02-17-2017 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by Dawn Bertot
02-17-2017 5:48 AM


Re: No need to shout mate
I Have repeatedly demonstrated both by reason and by scripture that ONLY absolute morality exists. I'll try again, maybe this time you will pay attention. There is no possible way that blind causes Can demonstrate what is right or wrong. Blind biological process, that which brought your alleged thoughts into existence is greater than its parts. This is demonstrated by the fact that the blind process which causes death, eventually will overcome your alleged imagined subjective morality, demonstrating that death is greater, than its biological parts. Thus you have no hope of showing that a ridiculous thing characterized like Subjective Morality exists. The two words themselves are nonsensical together.
So because all our senses of morality die with us, none of them existed? And because that position is so ridiculous and nonsensical, therefore God?
Yeah, the phrase 'subjective morality' is a bit silly but since you have laughably defined morality as perfect, we have to use two words to describe its normal meaning. Your SENSE of right and wrong is inherently subjective, the word subjective is therefore redundant in front of the word morality.
People judge right from wrong everyday, people's perceptions of what is wrong and why vary(from a little to a lot), the existence of subjective morality is therefore demonstrated. Rational people will look at the consequences of a given action to judge it. Irrational people look at the bible or some other ancient tome, voices in their head etc.
My basic moral statement would be freedom without denying others the same.
I like freedom, freedom is good, everyone should be free.
Don't murder/rape/assault/steal all follow from this basic concept.
From my naturalist perspective, as mindless critters that have evolved the intelligence to understand evolution, it's pretty clear that the meaning of life is to not go extinct. Oh how I wish people would be a little more concerned with that as opposed to whose sky daddy is the bestest.

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