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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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That ratings are in the toilet is a lie. Fake news, fake polls, just as they did during the election campaigns, which is why it was such a shock to the left that Hillary lost. They are continuing with the same old game to try to make it look like Trump has lost favor. Twitter has been manipulated too so that only the negative responses to his tweets show up. You guys have no idea just how sneaky rotten your team is. Agreed Rasmussen polls are entirely untrustworthy. So biased. Sad. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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So then let's compare the methodology of both.
I believe Rasmussen, Because they consistently track more conservative than other polls and are the outliers in compilations of polls.
quote: Sounds fair, but anyone who has done even a slight study of polling knows that the answers can be biased by the way the questions are asked and who gets asked. That's where the design of the study comes into play. They admit this:
quote: Bold for emphasis on where bias can be inserted into the polls, either intentionally or unintentionally. Curiously I am having trouble finding even sample questions ... and if we can't review the questions we can't judge if they pre-bias the answers.
quote: Obviously if you only ask likely republican voters or likely democrat voters the results will be different. If you ignore likely independent voters you are also building in a bias (democrats guilty here). If you want to see how a badly (intentionally or not) designed survey uses highly biased questions see Mainstream Media Accountability Survey . Let me know if you don't see the bias. Your turn. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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As JonF said, I believe it because I like it; that is, my impression of how Trump is doing is a lot higher than Gallup's polled people, and my impression of the favorable comments on conservative talk shows is too-- ... In other words you are only sampling a pro-Trump crowd and are amazed that they are pro-Trump. Fascinating. Current estimates put that bubble population at 29% of the total American population. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Oh SEE those "current estimates," what a JOKE. ... Actually I was too high.
quote: So yes, the Trump bubble world is only 26% of America, people that actually support him. The really sad part, imho, is the number of people that did not vote - almost HALF of America basically saw no significant difference between Trump and Clinton. This is where Clinton lost. In the Alt-Reality world of Trump and his simpering minions 26% is a massive majority win with a mandate to become dictator for life. But even that is crumbling around the edges:
What??? Fox News criticizing the president for lying??? Are pigs flying???
quote: And he is not alone. Now I am wondering how you will play conservative criticism of #Fake45 #PresidentPrevaricator Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Well I thought this was creepy
and I believe they were stiffed by the Trump campaign for their modest costs. Another ode to the deal-maker who seems more adept at being the deal-breaker.
quote: But individual instances like these do not make a nation-wide program. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Second, the counter-petition signed by 300,000:
quote: How does being declined an official state visit constrain his freedom of speech, especially in light of his (blackmail) request that Prince Charles not attend? http://realtimepolitics.com/...uk-is-in-shock-details-inside Trump to 'avoid Charles on UK visit over climate change' | Daily Mail Online He wants a party that celebrates him, not a state visit where world issues are discussed. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
One should always play to one's strengths. You mean being a huckster carney salesman? Leaders should not avoid communicating with other leaders because of their opinions. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hey Faith, I thought you might like an update
quote: quote: Looks like Berkeley is not alone in thinking this is not a person to be given a podium ... So much for that "liberal hypocrisy" argument ... Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yiannopolous has shown enough sleaze to be discredited, I agree with that. But it was his conservative opinions the "protests" were about. Yes, Faith, it was the sum total of all his views, which take conservative views to new lows. It seems the left figured this guy out before the right did. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Formal definitions seem to function to obscure the truth. ... The purpose is to ensure people are talking about the same thing, that would seem to me to lift some of the veils hiding whatever truth there is.
... I know what I'm posting is the truth, ... How? What paradigm do you use to verify what you are posting?
... what can I possibly do to convince anyone else? ... Show us the logic and the evidence, using verifiable sources.
... I don't know, how does one prove something is going on across the world that is denied by major sources of information? ... If it is happening you can find it from other sources, hopefully several different ones (and if the wording is identical they are not independent sources) Take the #NoDAPL protests for instance: rarely reported on the MSM (unless there was a report on violence committed by the protesters ... which did not happen, or unless there was some added element that was considered "newsworthy" by the editors ... like the veterans arriving in large numbers to join the protests). This protest was going on for over a year, but you wouldn't know it from watching MSM (or Faux). But you could find it on Democracy Now and you could find it on live feeds from the Green Party (when Jill Stein visited), and you could find it on live feed from people in the camp. So #NoDAPL is not fake news. Then we look at the "Bowling Green Massacre" where the only "evidence" is a claim by Kellyanne Conway. There is not police report or any other record of a terrorist attack. The closest is a report of two (2) men picked up with weapons. So "Bowling Green Massacre" IS fake news. Or the night of the "Swedish Meatball Massacre" where not only is there no evidence to support Trumps claim but the Swedish government issued several statements that showed that the claim was fabricated:
quote: So the "Swedish Meatball Massacre"is fake news.
... There are lots of people telling the truth but you all refuse to believe it. ... People telling stories are not news based on evidence, Show us the logic and the evidence, using verifiable sources.
... Political correctness rules. ... Or reality.
... Nobody here wants to believe the truth about what's going on in Europe. Deep grief. Nobody wants to believe overblown reports that try to drum up causes for launching a war. Enjoy by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Since the powers-that-be in Sweden have decided they have a vested interest in suppressing the facts, surely they will have suppressed them. ... It is truly amazing the lengths you go to, Faith, the massive conspiracies you invent, to protect and justify your beliefs. Sadby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Swedish Cops Featured in Fox News Segment Say Views Were Misrepresented
quote: Not "bad journalism" but FAKE NEWS journalism. but of course this is a conspiracy by FAUX to counter the conspiracy that must exist ... by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I'm just going to put this here:
Ones at the bottom are less to un- reliable, at the top more reliable. Left side is left leaning, right side is right leaning. so looney-bin left is lower left while looney-bin right is lower right Now I agree that the lower left are unreliable and tend towards fake headlines that are not supported in the body of the article and to articles that overstate the case. I prefer The Hill to Slate and the Guardian to the Wall Street Journal (corporatist) I also prefer BBC and NPR to ABC, NBC and other stock mainstream news - especially at the national level. I don't see Democracy Now listed or Grist. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Here's another one for you Faith:
quote: "disturbing trend" is a polite way of saying it is a steaming pile of horse manure -- it's fake news and falsehoods. If it's Faux it's FAKE. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote: So it seems that immigrants are more in danger than a danger. Similar findings in Sweden, where immigrants are being attacked. Do your news sources report these incidents or do they hide them because of some conspiracy agenda? Just askinby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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