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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I was going to take that back anyway, because it certainly describes a lot of people at EvC.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Funny how people here who demand evidence from me can just go on and on about my "[in]ability to separate the chaff from the wheat" as if that were an objective judgment rather than your jaundiced opinion. And yet you've just displayed an inability to evaluate claims of witchcraft and a superstitious view of your own life. You are right, my post was just opinion. But all I have to do to demonstrate your inability to vet your own sources is to quote from your posts, to count the number of times you miss stuff contrary to what you say in the sources you, yourself provide, and the sheer number of ridiculous conspiracy theories you adopt. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Tremendous evidence of how hard the Enemy is working to bring him down. Note the capital E on enemy. The courts are not enemies. The media are not enemies. Reality is not an enemy. How is the fact that il Donald and crew have not been able to actually present support for their dictates evidence of anyone other than il Donald himself trying to bring him down?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Can you name one thing? Seriously. One thing?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2121 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined:
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Hmm.. Lets check your sources.
From media Bias/Fact Check.https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ Drudge ReportNewsmax Right Bias These media sources are highly biased toward conservative causes. They utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Sources in this category may be untrustworthy. Breitbart
The content ranges from extreme right wing bias to conspiracy to racism (Then you see President Barack Hussein Obama waving the line-cutters forward. He’s on their side. In fact, isn’t he a line-cutter too? How did this fatherless black guy pay for Harvard?). Breitbart has been accused of publishing fake news for the purpose of a political agenda. World Net Daily
Factual Reporting: MIXED Notes: WND is an online news source that has a far right bias and dabbles in right wing conspiracies. Has mixed track record with fact checkers: here and here. Infowars
CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE These sources publish false information that cannot be validated or are related to pseudoscience. The information on these sites is speculation that is not supported by evidence. These are the most untrustworthy sources in media. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources. Factual Reporting: LOW Notes: A radio program and website run by the legendary conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. Non-stop over the top conspiracies. This is the gold standard for Tin-Foil Hat conspiracies. Frontpage Mag
Factual Reporting: MIXED Notes: FrontPage Magazine is an online conservative political website, edited by David Horowitz and published by the David Horowitz Freedom Center, a non-profit organization in Los Angeles, California (Wikipedia). This source has a pretty strong right wing bias in reporting that often is negative toward minorities and Islam. Talabangelicals! Onward! South Of Heaven! Edited by Porosity, : Doh! Edited by Porosity, : No reason given.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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That ratings are in the toilet is a lie. Fake news, fake polls, just as they did during the election campaigns, which is why it was such a shock to the left that Hillary lost. There is an inherent danger in polling... It is quite easy to manipulate people based on polls. Case in point: in the early Republican primaries almost nobody considered Trump to be a serious contender. But he did his reality TV thing where he insults his way in to legitimacy and that kind of perverse honesty was viewed as something genuine, regardless if it lacked presidential tact. Eventually the polls were enough to get a few more people on board the Trump bandwagon... and then a few more... and a few more. It creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. The other danger is that pulls on some strings. As was demonstrated in the election, they were manufactured depending upon who you was reporting the polls. And that's because they know they can manipulate how people think. Conservative pollsters were reporting that Trump was ahead while liberal pollsters were reporting that Hillary was ahead. Same data, different results. That's because there is nothing accurate about them. They are misleading and quite honestly irrelevant. How other people presume to vote should never be a consideration for how YOU want to vote or the reasons why. As this relates to the topic at hand, the term "fake news" is thrown around generously as of late. The truth is that, to one degree or another, all news has a slant, a spin, an implicit bias embedded in it. Even news agencies that supposedly have a lot of credibility are in the business of manufacturing news far more than they are in the business of simply reporting facts without an underlying agenda. But as it relates even more specifically to what you no doubt are referencing, does Brietbart or InfoWars or The Young Turks or the Huffington Post have more or less credibility than FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc? In my estimation they're all suspect. We all have to take everything with a grain of salt and make informed decisions. Alex Jones is eventually going to get some things right simply by sheer volume. He's also going to get a lot wrong. But then so is CNN... "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well that was a lot of hot air amounting to nothing.
The fact is there is INTENTIONAL skewing of the news on the Left against Trump, very carefully intentionally skewed, intentional lies. This has been the case in the MSM for oh something like a couple of decades now at least, but they're really going overboard against Trump. Oh, and don't overestimate the effect of Trump's personality. What his supporters really like is his taking a strong clear conservative stand and being willing to defend it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ha ha ha, you'll accept a list of opinions by some self-appointed website? Why?
There are very benign objective-sounding websites out there that are put up by propaganda sources.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The fact is there is INTENTIONAL skewing of the news on the Left against Trump, very carefully intentionally skewed, intentional lies. This has been the case in the MSM for oh something like a couple of decades now at least, but they're really going overboard against Trump. And what is your support for that assertion? The fact and reality is that Trump and the Trump Administration has not lived up to any of the promises that candidate Trump made. He promised to release his tax returns (and this is an area where he certainly will be vulnerable) yet now he refuses. He failed to present any support before the courts for his position. He faces yet another such failure in Virginia. He is currently named in over 50 Federal lawsuits in 17 States. He has not been able to fill his cabinet even though his party controls both Houses of Congress. He is even finding it hard to get people to even agree to work for him. None of those are matters that are subject to being intentionally skewed, they are statements of fact.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just one?
Getting rid of TPP.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh don't be nave. A lot of those "failures" are the effect of concerted obstructionist efforts by his political enemies, to the point of breaking the law, to keep him from getting his plans accomplished. If the country isn't quite yet the third world mafia style government it's trying to become, we may yet see him pull success out of the monster's jaws.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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That just means the US no longer has a voice among the rising productive nations of the world. It is simply ceding the leadership role to China.
Great plan.
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2121 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined:
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Ha ha ha, you'll accept a list of opinions by some self-appointed website? Why? There are very benign objective-sounding websites out there that are put up by propaganda sources. Strong in this one The irony is
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Please show how any concerted obstructionist element kept the Trump Administration from presenting support for Trump's position before the courts?
Please show how any concerted obstructionist element kept his cabinet choices from being confirmed? Please show how any concerted obstructionist element kept people from being willing to even work for the man? Please show how any concerted obstructionist element cause over 50 lawsuits to get filed in over 17 States in less than a month?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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A real landslide alright......
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy |
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