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Faith 
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Message 76 of 710 (799977)
02-18-2017 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by dwise1
02-18-2017 5:52 PM


lying hypocrite.

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Message 77 of 710 (799978)
02-18-2017 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
02-18-2017 4:42 PM


Sorry it's only 26% of Americans voted for Trump
Oh SEE those "current estimates," what a JOKE. ...
Actually I was too high.
quote:
26 Percent of Eligible Voters Voted for Trump
According to the popular vote-count provided by The New York Times, Donald Trump, as of today, has received 59,705,000 votes. Hillary Clinton, who won the popular vote, but not the electoral college, has received 59,994,000 votes.
At the time of the election, it is estimated there were 231,556,000 eligible voters.
This means Trump won the electoral college with votes from approximately 26 percent of eligible voters. Hillary Clinton also received votes from approximately 26 percent of eligible voters. 48 percent of eligible voters, however, abstained from voting for either Trump or Clinton.
In other words, 74 percent of eligible voters did not vote for the winner.
So yes, the Trump bubble world is only 26% of America, people that actually support him. The really sad part, imho, is the number of people that did not vote - almost HALF of America basically saw no significant difference between Trump and Clinton. This is where Clinton lost.
In the Alt-Reality world of Trump and his simpering minions 26% is a massive majority win with a mandate to become dictator for life.
But even that is crumbling around the edges:
What??? Fox News criticizing the president for lying??? Are pigs flying???
quote:
'That's how dictators get started': John McCain rebukes Trump tweet
John McCain told an audience at a German conference Friday that President Donald Trump's administration is in "disarray" and has "a lot of work to do", NBC News reported.
Addressing a security conference in Munich, McCain, a known Trump critic, said that the resignation of the president's security adviser, Michael Flynn, showed deep problems rooted within the administration.
"The president, I think, makes statements [and] on other occasions contradicts himself. I'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history", McCain said.
"They would be alarmed that more and more of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism and romanticizing it as our moral equivalent", McCain added. The senator also regretted the "hardening resentment we see toward immigrants, and refugees, and minority groups, especially Muslims".
Amid his strong criticism for Trump and his willingness to distance America from worldwide involvement and agreements, McCain explained that not all the leaders from the White House share the same views. Again, without saying Trump's name, he took a jab at the President's chummy attitude toward Russian president Vladimir Putin and Trump's deliberate attacks on long-held worldwide agreements like North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. Western countries still have the power to maintain world order, but they have to have the will to do it, he said, offering reasons for why that power has been slipping. Flynn resigned over his contacts with Russia and over allegations that he misled US Vice President Mike Pence regarding his conversations with Russian diplomats.
And he is not alone.
Now I am wondering how you will play conservative criticism of #Fake45 #PresidentPrevaricator
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jar
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Message 78 of 710 (799979)
02-18-2017 5:55 PM
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02-18-2017 5:26 PM


Faith writes:
However, I'll agree that the statement was far too optimistic. His opponents will never give in on any such true statement; they have to manufacture fake Constitutional interpretations, fake fake fake fake fake.
The Federal Courts cannot make a fake interpretation Faith. By definition any interpretation they make IS the law.
Basics Faith. Learn just a little about how our country works under law, about honesty and about reality.

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Faith 
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Message 79 of 710 (799981)
02-18-2017 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by jar
02-18-2017 5:55 PM


The Federal Courts cannot make a fake interpretation Faith. By definition any interpretation they make IS the law
You're right about that, the courts DO make the laws, which is what that amounts to, usurping the role of the Legislature; all their slimy misreadings of the Constitution are treated as law no matter how twisted.
You've all lost what shred of credibility the Left still had a decade ago, with the elevation of America-hating Communist-bred Islamist Obama to the Presidency, with all the worshipful messianic fervor bestowed on him, just as will be bestowed on the final Antichrist; and now that unbelievably twisted claim that he's the one who loves America? Oh that was dwise, not you, sorry I get you confused with each other sometimes with your unified support for the Big Lie.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 80 of 710 (799984)
02-18-2017 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Faith
02-18-2017 6:20 PM


more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
Faith writes:
You've all lost what shred of credibility the Left still had a decade ago, with the elevation of America-hating Communist-bred Islamist Obama to the Presidency, with all the worshipful messianic fervor bestowed on him, just as will be bestowed on the final Antichrist; and now that unbelievably twisted claim that he's the one who loves America?
More lies from you Faith.
Obama was not worshiped, he was elected and elected by a far larger majority of both voters and Electoral College votes than il Donald. There is no evidence that Obama hated America, was Communist bred 9do you have any idea just how stupid that assertion sounds?) or that he was an Islamist.
Actually, if you had ever actually read Revelation you must honestly admit that il Donald shows all the characteristics of the Beast.
AbE: And just a little more reality and history. Under the US Constitution there are three sources for Laws of the Land; SCOTUS, Laws Passed by Congress and signed by the President and Treaties Ratified by Congress. The President has no powers of law except those granted specifically by the Constitution and delegated by the Congress and neither Congress or the Executive have the right to interpret Constitutional Issues.
Edited by jar, : See AbE:

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Faith 
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Message 81 of 710 (799985)
02-18-2017 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by jar
02-18-2017 6:40 PM


Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
He wasn't worshiped? Did you miss the worshipful songs sung on his behalf, little children taught to sing "Obama's gonna lead us, Obama's gonna save us" or some such pie-eyed Nazi style adulation? Did you miss Oprah calling him "The One?" I put some of this up on my blog, maybe I can still find it. Even that logo with the Obama "sun" coming up. Actually he plunged us into deep darkness and if Trump can do anything to get us even partly out of this pit of slime we've been drowning in it will be a miracle.
Everything I said about Obama is true. Trump is the first real America-loving President we've had in decades. Too bad so many hate such a good thing.

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Message 82 of 710 (799986)
02-18-2017 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
02-18-2017 5:53 PM


lying hypocrite.
I am an American!. I served honorably in the United States military for thirty-five years! (six years active duty US Air Force, 29 years US Navy Reserve). At least seven times in my military career I have sworn a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And I most sincerely meant it every single time!
Faith, have you ever served? Have you ever once in your entire life sworn a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic? No, I didn't think so.
Should I also mention how, based on my decades of security training, Trump's display of classified government information in a discussion in the middle of a public dining area in Mar-a- Lago (private club membership, yes, but still filled with uncleared personnel (ie, civilians with no security clearances and absolutely no need to know)). Any idiot who had pulled such a stunt would have had his security clearance pulled in an instant and would be facing federal charges. Why do you think that your Trump should be given any slack? This is a clear and egregious violation of national security, after all.
So, getting back to my actual post which you "responded to" (HA!!!):
DWise1 writes:
Yes, the President has powers. So does the Legislature. And so does the Judiciary. It's called the Separation of Powers. It should have been covered in your civics class in high school, assuming you managed to stay awake in class.
What we were taught was that the Founding Fathers were virtually paranoid about the rise of tyrants, having seen King George III as a tyrant. So to thwart the designs of a tyrant they incorporated that system of checks and balances which we call the Separation of Powers. It's kind of like the Strategic Air Command's (SAC's) "no lone" policy regarding access to nukes: no single individual may ever have access to nuclear weapons in any conceivable manner. It's also reflected in the handling of classified materials where the handling and destruction of classified materials must be with a second cleared individual, a witness, present. I know these things, because I am a 35-year military veteran who has performed said duties and has repeatedly sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
So just because Presidents have been given certain powers does not mean that those actions cannot be reviewed, since any mortal man may try to exceed his authority. Such review is the duty of the Judiciary. So why are you complaining so much that the Judiciary is trying to do its Constitutionally mandated duty?
So you think that the courts are so wrong? Do please explain why. In legal terms that would convince someone familiar with the Constitution of the United States of America.
And while you are at it, a pure and complete hypothetical. For purely hypothetical reasons, just suppose that a tyrant has managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America. What is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country? In your own considered and infallible opinion.
So then, Faith, if a tyrant were to have somehow managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America, what is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country?
In your own considered and infallible opinion.

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jar
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Message 83 of 710 (799987)
02-18-2017 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
02-18-2017 6:48 PM


Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
Yes Faith, I missed all those things. In addition, I am not so stupid as to think Oprah calling him "The One?" actually carries any weight. Sorry but no evidence of worship in any of those except in the eyes of someone totally out of touch with reality.
And no one hates Trump. We might fear him, be truly embarrassed that other civilized Nations see us with such a totally incompetent President who does not even seem to know how to lie effectively or be at all in touch with reality, we might worry about the harm he seems to be doing to the US and the world as he alienates allies, relinquishes US prestige, and creates the classic image of the Ugly American, but he hopefully can't remain in office for more than eight years so there is no reason to hate someone so insignificant.

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Faith 
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Message 84 of 710 (799988)
02-18-2017 7:05 PM
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02-18-2017 6:40 PM


Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
It is indeed very sad that so many voted for Obama, that alone shows the depths to which America has sunk. I don't dispute it, I just lament it.
I did find my post on Obama being worshiped but the YouTube evidence has been pulled of course. CHILDREN, taught in SCHOOL to sing of the greatness of our new Fuhrer.
Which reminds me, my brilliant grandson is getting anti-Trump propaganda in HIS school. He brought me pictures he'd drawn -- he's such a good artist -- showing Trump as a monster in one and driving a tank into the White House in another. I'm sure you all think that's just fine that our children are being propagandized by the Left in our schools.
And you can stop with the abuse of the idea of separation of powers. I already answered that.

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Faith 
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Message 85 of 710 (799989)
02-18-2017 7:07 PM
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02-18-2017 6:56 PM


Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
More lies, jar. Cut it out.

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Faith 
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Message 86 of 710 (799990)
02-18-2017 7:13 PM
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02-18-2017 6:51 PM


So then, Faith, if a tyrant were to have somehow managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America, what is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country?
In your own considered and infallible opinion.
Well, such a tyrant DID get himself elected, name of Obama. I wish we knew what to do when that happens. Unfortunately the "public" was all in favor of his destruction of the Constitution and the country. Now that we have somebody in who wants to restore all that the same "public" is blowing things up and wants to assassinate him. You're wrong, dwise, you and the Left have no idea what is going on, you're supporting evil and calling it good and vice versa. If one of your crazed fellow Leftists succeeds in taking down Trump, I just hope the Rapture comes soon, I don't want to be here.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 87 of 710 (799992)
02-18-2017 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
02-18-2017 5:28 PM


Faith writes:
I'm aware of that "evidence." I consider it spin, not truth.
We're already familiar with your opinions. What you haven't provided is any facts underpinning what you believe. Your reluctance to discuss them can only be explained if no such facts exist, much like Trump and his many fact-free claims.
--Percy

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jar
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Message 88 of 710 (799993)
02-18-2017 8:02 PM
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02-18-2017 7:05 PM


Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
Faith writes:
It is indeed very sad that so many voted for Obama, that alone shows the depths to which America has sunk. I don't dispute it, I just lament it.
But Trump lied about it. Lying is not quite the same as lamenting. Trump constantly lies and lies about stuff even you can fact check.
Faith writes:
CHILDREN, taught in SCHOOL to sing of the greatness of our new Fuhrer.
Yes, I don't doubt you make such a claim but I really have a very high degree of confidence that once again you are lying. I doubt any school child was ever taught to refer to Obama as our new Fuhrer.
Faith writes:
And you can stop with the abuse of the idea of separation of powers. I already answered that.
Sorry Faith but you simply can not answer that since Separation of Powers is a FACT in the US. Do you even know the derivation of the term Fuhrer? Do you understand that the US Constitution was designed to prevent the rise of a Fuhrer, particularly a Christian Fuhrer. Do you understand that the statement I posted in the Trump thread is exactly what would describe a Fuhrer?

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Message 89 of 710 (799994)
02-18-2017 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
02-18-2017 7:07 PM


Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
Faith writes:
More lies, jar. Cut it out.
Jar spoke the truth and it bears repeating. No one here hates Trump. We have to live in this country, and we wish him every success in terms of doing what is best for our country and the world. We hope his policies result in economic prosperity, happiness, freedom and world peace.
But little he's done looks like it will end well. You don't bake a cake by blowing up the kitchen, but in effect that's what he's trying to do. We all hope he wakes up tomorrow and becomes honest, humble, compassionate and grounded in reality, but we know that's unlikely - he's been who he is for a very long time.
--Percy

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dwise1
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Message 90 of 710 (799996)
02-18-2017 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
02-18-2017 7:13 PM


Well, such a tyrant DID get himself elected, name of Obama. ... Well, such a tyrant DID get himself elected, name of Obama.
Uh, no, that did not happen. If you truly believe that did indeed happen, then do by all means show that that is indeed what had happened.
Oh, you cannot.
So we are back to the original that you were utterly unable to respond to;
So then, Faith, if a tyrant were to have somehow managed to get himself elected to the office of the President of the United States of America, what is the public reaction supposed to be to prevent him from destroying the Constitution and the country?

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