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Hyroglyphx
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Message 91 of 710 (799997)
02-18-2017 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
02-17-2017 8:52 PM


Well that was a lot of hot air amounting to nothing.
The fact is there is INTENTIONAL skewing of the news on the Left against Trump, very carefully intentionally skewed, intentional lies. This has been the case in the MSM for oh something like a couple of decades now at least, but they're really going overboard against Trump.
Oh, and don't overestimate the effect of Trump's personality. What his supporters really like is his taking a strong clear conservative stand and being willing to defend it.
Yes, I agree that many media outlets out there are doing everything they can to ruin Trump, just like conservative outlets did the same to Obama. But I think what everyone here wants to know is why you think Brietbart is not fake news, but CNN is. CNN is a steaming pile of manure... granted. But so is Brietbart. And InfoWars, regardless if they get a modicum of things right some of the time.
I would also be inclined to agree that the liberal voices screaming about "fake news" is a distraction and a way to de-legitimize some news stories that actually have some compelling reasons to at least investigate further.
I have to admit, at first I thought this whole Pizzagate thing was much-ado-about-nothing... but the more I researched it and sifted through utter nonsense from whackos, the more compelling the connections became... and I pride myself on not being prone to tinfoil hat conspiracies. Not that I think every angle of Pizzagate is legitimate, but there are some thought-provoking questions that could be asked about it.
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Faith 
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Message 92 of 710 (799998)
02-18-2017 11:05 PM
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02-18-2017 9:39 PM


Criticism vs. Sabotage and then there is Pizzagate
I really don't think the situations with Obama and Trump are at all similar. Conservatives constantly criticized Obama but they didn't fake the news to bring him down as the liberal media are doing, they didn't infiltrate Townhall meetings and rallies and manufacture protests and invent lie after lie after lie to try to bring him down. No, "the "birther" thing for instance was not manufactured, we still know it's true. I could go on.
I haven't spent enough time at Breitbart to have an opinion but I have every reason to think you are wrong about them, including some former contact with people who know them personally.
But I'm truly fascinated to find out you believe there's something to pizzagate and I would very much like to hear what you have found out about it that has raised "thought-provoking questions." I've suspected there's a lot going on that will eventually come out -- but I'm waiting for it to come out.
SO, if you can fit it into the topic of fake news I invite you to spell it out here; or start a new thread. Are you up to it?
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Message 93 of 710 (800000)
02-18-2017 11:24 PM
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02-18-2017 11:05 PM


Re: Criticism vs. Sabotage and then there is Pizzagate
Conservatives constantly criticized Obama but they didn't fake the news to bring him down as the liberal media are doing
Birth Certificate.
Born in Kenya.
Fake Signposts.
Death Panels.
Secret Muslim.
Sworn in on Koran.
Married a Muslim Man
Importing 100 Million Muslims into the USA.
Steal Our Guns.
Michelle Obama Used Racial Slurs against Whites
Gave Away Islands to Russia.
Will Steal Your Gold.
FEMA concentration camps.
Caused the BP oil spill.
Caused Hurricane Sandy.
Faked bin Laden's Death.
Will Carry on for more than Two Terms
Teleprompters.
No, "the "birther" thing for instance was not manufactured, we still know it's true.
Fake news, Faith. Actual fake news. That's why it leaned so heavily on forged documents and photoshopped pictures and innuendo based on reading into the hidden meaning of the translations of unprofessional translators and random diplomats.

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Message 94 of 710 (800001)
02-18-2017 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Hyroglyphx
02-18-2017 9:39 PM


Pizzagate - There's something to it???
I have to admit, at first I thought this whole Pizzagate thing was much-ado-about-nothing... but the more I researched it and sifted through utter nonsense from whackos, the more compelling the connections became... and I pride myself on not being prone to tinfoil hat conspiracies. Not that I think every angle of Pizzagate is legitimate, but there are some thought-provoking questions that could be asked about it.
I didn't follow it much, but my understanding of its essence was "Hillary and associates were operating a child trafficking ring out of a pizza shop".
Now, Trump has done some pretty sleazy things, but I wouldn't begin to buy into that he could be part of such a thing.
So, give us just one of those "thought-provoking questions".
Moose

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Message 95 of 710 (800002)
02-19-2017 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
02-18-2017 5:26 PM


quote:
The idea is that the President legitimately has those powers by an honest assessment of the laws. Other Presidents have used the same powers. They belong to the Presidency. That's what the Constitution says.
Even if Trump were only pressing the limits of Constitutional Rights it would be legitimate to question whether he had overstepped his powers.
How do you intend to silence those questions ?
quote:
The court is wrong, the people who talk about the separation of powers happen to be wrong in these particular cases. But they won't recognize it, they won't acknowledge it.
Then perhaps you could produce the clauses that allow the President to ignore the 5th and 14th Amendments and show that they apply. Without that there is an open and shut case that Trump's order was illegal in denying Due Process Rights to visitors and immigrants arriving in the country.

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Message 96 of 710 (800004)
02-19-2017 12:45 AM
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02-18-2017 11:24 PM


Re: Criticism vs. Sabotage and then there is Pizzagate
None of that is fake news in the sense of manufactured for the purpose of destroying the man. Some of it is no doubt true and will eventually be shown to be true. Some of it may be hype or false conspiracy thinking, but none of it is the concerted effort to destroy a man as is being done to Trump. Some of it I've never heard of anyway. Teleprompters? Oh brother. Criticism as I said, but not fake news.
It was Obama and his helpers who did any faking of documents.
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Faith 
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Message 97 of 710 (800005)
02-19-2017 12:48 AM
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02-19-2017 12:34 AM


As I believe I said, there's no way to silence them. You can't silence people who intend to keep up the complaint until they've managed to triumph with their fake complaints or killed the man. I expect they can keep it up for years if need be.
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Message 98 of 710 (800006)
02-19-2017 1:00 AM
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02-19-2017 12:48 AM


I note that you provide no support for assertion that the President can simply ignore Due Process rights in this case.
Being nasty about those who would defend the Constitution is hardly a substitute for making a case.

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Message 99 of 710 (800007)
02-19-2017 1:11 AM
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02-18-2017 11:36 PM


Re: Pizzagate - There's something to it???
The only thing I know for sure about Pizzagate is that some very strange emails belonging to John Podesta were hacked and leaked, and what's strange about them is that there is no way to make sense of them. They seem to be about pizza or other food but nobody talks about food that way, so it appears they are some kind of code, and there are reasons to think the code refers to sex acts with children. We could look it up I suppose but I'd rather wait for HG.

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Message 100 of 710 (800010)
02-19-2017 9:04 AM
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02-18-2017 6:48 PM


Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
He wasn't worshiped? Did you miss the worshipful songs sung on his behalf, little children taught to sing "Obama's gonna lead us, Obama's gonna save us" or some such pie-eyed Nazi style adulation? Did you miss Oprah calling him "The One?" I put some of this up on my blog, maybe I can still find it. Even that logo with the Obama "sun" coming up. Actually he plunged us into deep darkness and if Trump can do anything to get us even partly out of this pit of slime we've been drowning in it will be a miracle.
Yes, I missed all thoise, because they were right-wing fantasies that never happened.

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Message 101 of 710 (800011)
02-19-2017 9:09 AM
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02-19-2017 12:45 AM


Re: Criticism vs. Sabotage and then there is Pizzagate
All of that is fake news in the sense of manufactured for the purpose of destroying the man
FYP.
None of it is true. It's all been debunked ver and over and over again.
It was Obama and his helpers who did any faking of documents.
And you can't produce any documents established as fake. Just paranoid BS.
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Message 102 of 710 (800012)
02-19-2017 9:19 AM
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02-19-2017 1:11 AM


Re: Pizzagate - There's something to it???
Faith writes:
The only thing I know for sure about Pizzagate is that some very strange emails belonging to John Podesta were hacked and leaked, and what's strange about them is that there is no way to make sense of them. They seem to be about pizza or other food but nobody talks about food that way, so it appears they are some kind of code, and there are reasons to think the code refers to sex acts with children.
Which, even if it were true, has absolutely nothing to do with Hilary Clinton except in the minds of those folk who are totally disconnected from reality.

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Message 103 of 710 (800014)
02-19-2017 10:01 AM
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02-19-2017 12:45 AM


Re: Criticism vs. Sabotage and then there is Pizzagate
None of that is fake news in the sense of manufactured for the purpose of destroying the man.
Yeah, the narrative that Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim, who is infiltrating the USA to setup a new Muslim country, will steal your guns, become a dictator and take your savings was clearly designed to support his presidency. That's why there were all those court cases trying to declare him ineligible for presidency, the Tea Party....wait - was all this a false flag operation to discredit the right and bolster support for Obama? Damn, those liberals are cunning.
Some of it is no doubt true and will eventually be shown to be true.
It hasn't been shown to be true, but will eventually be shown to be true? I can't dispute you have a lot of faith, Faith. Of course, the stuff that hasn't been shown to be true about Trump is fake news, but about Obama - the truth will out eventually - NO DOUBT.
Some of it may be hype or false conspiracy thinking, but none of it is the concerted effort to destroy a man as is being done to Trump. Some of it I've never heard of anyway.
While some of it was repeated ad nauseum on the Fox Network, some of the craziest was mostly on Breitbart, Inforwars, World Net Daily and the Daily Caller. But since you have admitted to not following those until recently - it doesn't surprise me you missed some of it.
It was Obama and his helpers who did any faking of documents.
Well, you've failed to show this. You mentioned you thought *something* wasn't right. On the other hand:
There was a birth certificate faked from this. I covered it in Message 50 of The Brand New Birther Thread. It said 'Republic of Kenya' although no such place existed at the time of Obama's birth. And it's actually an Australian birth certificate, with the names changed. World net Daily ran it.
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Message 104 of 710 (800024)
02-19-2017 12:29 PM
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Re: more uter lies and dishonesty from Faith
Yes, I missed all thoise, because they were right-wing fantasies that never happened.
There was a video of children singing the adulatory song at You Tube. the video is there only they removed the content.

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Message 105 of 710 (800026)
02-19-2017 12:36 PM
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02-19-2017 10:01 AM


Re: Criticism vs. Sabotage and then there is Pizzagate
There's a difference between suspecting something to be true and making up stuff for the clear purpose of destroying somebody. Fake news is the latter and that's what they are doing to Trump. When he called out CNN for fake news it was for treating that fake Russian "dossier" as true. And again, I believe some of the things on your list are true, in fact I believe they've been proved to be true. The birth certificate has been proved beyond a sane doubt to be fake. The debunkery is the fake news, a blend of sophistry and ridicule.

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