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Modulous
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Message 121 of 710 (800076)
02-19-2017 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
02-19-2017 12:53 PM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
Wow, even one in China
Two things Faith:
1) Pyongyang is the capital of North Korea. Kim Jong-il makes an appearance in it, if that wasn't clue enough.
2) It wasn't in China or Korea. It is a video from Reason.tv - American libertarians - who mashed the kids singing with imagery from North Korea to make their point.
School teachers from one school being dumb is one thing - can you imagine it Trump had teenage girls do a song and dance routine at one of his rallies with lyrics like
quote:
Enemies of freedom
Face the music
Come on, boystake ‘em down!
President Donald Trump knows how
To make America great
Deal from strength or get crushed every time
Well its OK though, because Trump didn't pay them, or give them their opportunity to sell the merchandise, and even slapped them with a gag order. I believe their position was that Trump 'stiffed' them. So that's cool, right?

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Modulous
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Message 122 of 710 (800082)
02-19-2017 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
02-19-2017 7:20 PM


Re: Pizzagate - There's something to it???
I did think everyone would be at least superficially aware of the language in the email if nothing else, and wouldn't dispute its strangeness.
quote:
If we are still on for dinner on Saturday, June 06 Possible menu _ Indian: suggestions welcome. 1. Mixed grill of Tandoori chicken, lamb, and Lahori fish: Pizza oven. Garnished with ribbon onions in lemon mint chutney.
...
Tony, should the plan be Indian cuisine? If yes, I will send you a list of dishes we can decide on, some of which we can make in the pizza oven.. The shopping list will follow.
....
$27.84 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 9/16 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $29.00 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 9/18 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04
...
Wanted to flag a dinner I'm doing at my house tomorrow for Hillary. Doing a fundraiser at my house with my brother John on October 6 at my house, John and I are cooking along with guest chefs James Alefantis of Comet Ping Pong Pizza and Buck's Camping and Fishing, Amy Brandwein of Centrolina and Massimo Fabbri of Ristorante Posto
.....
Here is what I need from you: help us have a successful GOTC weekend by donating $10 right now. Your $10 will help us get our volunteers out across the state. A $20 donation will help get a gas card so a volunteer can knock on 150 more doors. A $30 donation will help buy pizza for the volunteers at tonight's phone bank.
....
$44.90 for pizza for canvassers (Mario's Restaurant) on 10/07 in support of Martin HEINRICH (NM-01) $44.90 for pizza for canvassers (Mario's Restaurant) on 10/07 in support of Obama $10.50 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 10/04 in support of MARK E UDALL (CO Senate) $10.50 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 10/04 in support of Obama
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I'm going to pass. I have too much to do before heading to Michigan tomorrow. No need for pizza.
....
I just came from checking the Field house and I have a square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black) that was left on the kitchen island. Happy to send it via the mail if you let me know where I should send it. I also meant to inquire yesterday about the pillows you purchased. I can send them as well, if you let me know where they are in the house. Safe travels to all Kate
...
The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.
> It's mine, but not worth worrying about.
>> OK, thanks.
...
do you want to use the outdoor pizza oven at all?
...
- $15.72 for pizza for canvassers (Mario's Restaurant) on 8/13 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM-Senate) - $21.51 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 8/13 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) - $36.38 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 8/14 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04)
...
Shes doing no Virginia event at 500pm Do you wanna do pizza or try to sell to terry event
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Invite please
Pizza for Hillsry
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Hosting pizza party at Belmont for HFA on April 10. Maya Harris is joining, but need you. Can you come?
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$23.30 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 10/14 in support of MARK E UDALL (CO Senate)
...
>> Mary not free >> Would love to get a pizza for an hour? Or come over
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Bobby is a long standing member of the Board of Directors of St. John’s Utilities, Kerrco Inc. (Houston based oil and gas company), SDS (large Pizza Hut franchisee), Acme (highway safety business) and TL Canon (large Applebee’s franchisee). He is also a General Partner of several Savitar related commercial real estate businesses throughout the country.
....
$37.83 for pizza for canvassers (Mario's Restaurant) on 10/15 in support of Martin HEINRICH (NM-01) $37.83 for pizza for canvassers (Mario's Restaurant) on 10/15 in support of Obama
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Supreme Court 2015 Term Preview & Pizza Lunch
....
1,318,605. Hundreds of thousands of YUM Brands employees at Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, and KFC have no company retirement assets whatsoever.
.....

Have Questions?
We are hosting two informational sessions for prospective applicants. Pizza and other refreshments will be served. Please attend one of the following sessions and consider us a resource for answering questions and developing your idea for submission
...
Mrs. Clinton, 67 years old, made known her feelings about grueling campaigns in a private meeting last month with London Mayor Boris Johnson. Mr. Johnson later said she had bemoaned the lengthy U.S. presidential campaigns. During her 2008 bid, she teared up at a campaign event in New Hampshire when describing the rigors of campaign life: lack of sleep, an overreliance on pizza and limited ability to exercise.
....
Please plan on being in the Mesquite Room at the Four Seasons at 6:30pm. There should be dinner (salads and pizza) setup in there.
...
Will send you an updated Look Ahead Memo as soon as I can finish digging through your gmail, which I will be doing over a pizza tonight
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She describes Mrs. Clinton as "amazingly qualified," but she also grimaces at the memory of Mrs. Clinton's bellying up to a bar in Indiana during her '08 campaign, downing a shot of whiskey before tucking into a pizza and beer. Ms. Simon's advice to Mrs. Clinton, should she run, is to be "genuine."
....
Again, the camp is insane. I'm writing from a large open tent in the center of camp. Ringing the outside is a bar, a FoxSports bar, a gym, a media center, and a morale tent. Wifi is readily available in the center of camp (but slow). There is a Dunkin' Donuts, a Baskin Robbins, a Subway, a Pizza Hut, and a DQ (conveniently located at the pool).
....
As you can imagine, our family has been keeping busy with school activities, sports, and the pizza restaurant. Christie and the kids are doing great!
....
Our pizza logo {Mod adds, there is an attachment to the Pizza Party with a logo that says HC - presumably Hillary Clinton - only the 'C' is two slices of pizza}
Are you around this sunday
....
> Subject: friday night at posto for Tony's birthday... > > Will you join us? > Small gathering a few days before the pizza extravaganza > Time TBA but probably 7:30 ish > RSVP please!
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We're in need of volunteers to help sort donations on the evening of Tuesday, December 15. All are welcome to attend! Pizza and holiday music will be provided. If you are interested in volunteering, please sign up here
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You knock the doors, make the phone calls, and talk to one voter at a time to sway this election. And yes, every clipboard, every office, every piece of mail reminding a voter where to cast her ballot, and every pizza for weary volunteers gets paid for by you.
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no expenses over $250 will be reimbursed, though you may be able to take such amounts as a deduction on your taxes.) Typically these involve the delivery of pizza or cookies and soda/water in the last, or close to last, class. The $250 cannot be used to pay for alcohol.
....
The staff and I are working around the clock, powered by too much coffee. It's been way too long since we called our moms. And we've all had more pizza and bad takeout in the past few weeks than anyone should have in a year.
...
Instead, my mother had been lying in bed for 10 hours, been drugged, put in diapers, and looked like she was not even alive --while a large slice of French bread pizza was the only item on her dinner plate. My mother takes insulin for diabetes. When I protested that a diabetic should not be given only a large piece of French bread pizza filled with starch, they said "Our diabetic care is calorie controlled," another euphemism for not giving a damn about what they feed people with medical conditions as long as it's cheap.
I highlighted the one email among many that is typically mentioned as being weird. Most of the conversation is clearly about....pizza. Another email had bold html tags, so they got highlighted too.

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Riggamortis
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Message 123 of 710 (800086)
02-19-2017 8:29 PM


Emails
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/46736
We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be >> Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and >> almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in >> that pool for sure
3 young girls for entertainment.
WikiLeaks - The Podesta Emails
> Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta? >
Cos we all play dominoes on food items.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795
Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you're busy, so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.
A pizza-related map on a handkerchief, wtf?
The alleged code.
hotdog = boy
pizza = girl
cheese = little girl
pasta = little boy
ice cream = male prostitute
walnut = person of color
map = semen
sauce = orgy
Edited by Riggamortis, : No reason given.
Edited by Riggamortis, : No reason given.

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Modulous
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Message 124 of 710 (800088)
02-19-2017 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Riggamortis
02-19-2017 8:29 PM


Re: Emails
3 young girls for entertainment.
Children are entertaining - especially when they are going nuts in a pool. No pizza or cheese code here, I notice.
Cos we all play dominoes on food items.
I do many activities on food items. I code on coffee. I've played pool on way too much pizza. This person was expecting pasta and received a lot of cheeses in a box as a gift:
quote:
I immediately realized something was different by the shape > of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the > square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it > was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses
A pizza-related map on a handkerchief, wtf?
Clearly a reference to a secret map to a child abuse den. Or maybe the person was organising a pizza party and drew a map on a handkerchief. Or maybe the map was a separate item entirely, that the handkerchief was wrapped around or placed upon. Nah, probably child abuse code, right?
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Message 125 of 710 (800093)
02-19-2017 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Modulous
02-19-2017 8:50 PM


Re: Emails
I know of no adults who would ever describe the presence of children at a party as "entertaining." And I'm sure you don't either.

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Message 126 of 710 (800094)
02-19-2017 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Modulous
02-19-2017 7:36 PM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
I don't understand why you are going to such lengths to rationalize something that is so clearly weird as children singing adulatory songs about a President.

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Message 127 of 710 (800099)
02-20-2017 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
02-19-2017 7:20 PM


Re: Pizzagate - There's something to it???
I did think everyone would be at least superficially aware of the language in the email if nothing else, and wouldn't dispute its strangeness. That should of course be the case but I forget, this is the alternative universe of EvC.
So not a single quote of strange language from any of the emails? Instead protesting that your conclusions are obvious and that you should not even be asked to demonstrate even one example?
I'm going to stop pretending to be surprised.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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Phat
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Message 128 of 710 (800102)
02-20-2017 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
02-19-2017 10:50 PM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
What about these children?
Also I have one question. Humans are universally similar. What is it that makes people politically on the left any worse---as humans---than people on the right?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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Message 129 of 710 (800104)
02-20-2017 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
02-20-2017 2:49 AM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
Somehow I don't see the similarity between a performance at a rally that celebrates principles, something like cheerleaders, and children in a classroom being taught to sing adulatory words to a song about a President, even putting his name in the place of Jesus Christ's, a man at least some of their parents despise.
Who said people on the left are bad? Their ideology is what is bad. Rotten bad.
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NoNukes
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Message 130 of 710 (800105)
02-20-2017 3:40 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
02-19-2017 10:49 PM


Re: Emails
I know of no adults who would ever describe the presence of children at a party as "entertaining." And I'm sure you don't either.
It sounds to me like you are just inclined to find dirt where folks are claiming there is dirt.
Surely you are old enough to remember the Art Linkletter show with the "Kids still say the darndest things" segment. What was the premise of that segment other than the entertainment value and wisdom shared by the youngest among us? Art published books full of that stuff almost of all of which is still capable of entertaining folks today.
I suppose using your inane standard, folks who read those books are pedophiles.
I frequently relate things my kids did when they were young to other folks and for the most part folks find that stuff somewhere between amusing and gut busting laughter inducing. Okay, some of it is boring to people who are not my kids parents. But by and large, the younger the kids, the more funny the stories. So, yeah, there is nothing particularly strange about referring to young kids as being entertaining.
Of course if you are looking for some reason to find a pedophile behind every email, then you can turn lots of innocent language, like, "isn't she just adorable", into nasty stuff. That's what I think you are doing here.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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Message 131 of 710 (800106)
02-20-2017 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
02-19-2017 10:50 PM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
I don't understand why you are going to such lengths to rationalize something that is so clearly weird as children singing adulatory songs about a President.
Do you believe that this practice you are describing occurred among liberals in general? Given that Obama was not responsible, is there some reason that it reflects on him or the huge number of his supporters in any way.
What is the difference between you picking on that video, and me claiming that some random Trump supporter who happens to be a neo-naxi represents you? Because I would consider both ideas to be pretty idiotic.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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Riggamortis
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Message 132 of 710 (800107)
02-20-2017 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Modulous
02-19-2017 8:50 PM


Re: Emails
[sarcasm] Oh thank god I have you to be the voice of reason so I don't get carried away with my tinfoil hat.[/sarcasm]
I'm sure you noticed that I made no statements regarding anything being evidence of a satanic child sex ring. Folks were talking about the weird emails so I found a couple and posted them along with a little comment to avoid posting bare links and quotes. My position is to neither believe nor dismiss the allegations. You, however, seem desperate to dismiss them.
Children are entertaining - especially when they are going nuts in a pool. No pizza or cheese code here, I notice.
You often uber in some young girls for entertainment at your parties do you? How many party invites have you received where young girls were sold as the entertainment? They aren't referred to as anyone's children, which would make some sense. Children are entertaining but it is certainly weird for them to be considered the entertainment.
I do many activities on food items. I code on coffee. I've played pool on way too much pizza. This person was expecting pasta and received a lot of cheeses in a box as a gift:
I'm guessing you don't often ask people whether they think you'd be a better pool player on pizza or burgers though. Yeah it's still bloody weird.
Clearly a reference to a secret map to a child abuse den. Or maybe the person was organising a pizza party and drew a map on a handkerchief. Or maybe the map was a separate item entirely, that the handkerchief was wrapped around or placed upon. Nah, probably child abuse code, right?
You aren't normally an arrogant, condescending prick Mod. What gives?
All you seem to be saying is that if you can imagine some innocent way of interpreting the emails they must be innocent.
Why are you so desperate to dismiss the possibility that there is something going on here?
I'm sure many parents dismissed the possibility that their priest was molesting their children.
I'm sure many mothers have dismissed the possibility that their partner was abusing their children.
I'm not so eager to dismiss the possibility of an elite child abuse ring. You know people of all types are capable of being pedophiles, even police. What exempts the wealthy people who have the best chance of getting away with it?
Edited by Riggamortis, : No reason given.

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Message 133 of 710 (800111)
02-20-2017 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
02-19-2017 10:49 PM


Re: Emails
Faith writes:
I know of no adults who would ever describe the presence of children at a party as "entertaining." And I'm sure you don't either.
And I am sure that once again you are wrong. In fact I can think of few things more entertaining than children at play.

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Message 134 of 710 (800115)
02-20-2017 6:35 AM


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Message 135 of 710 (800130)
02-20-2017 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
02-19-2017 12:53 PM


Re: Worship of Obama: yes it is
Actually I found some still up on You Tube:
Whoops. you're right. I was wrong. Now I remember that stuff.
Which I and many others found to be pretty creepy. But they were individuals expressing their feelings. Many people were incredibly excited by our first black president.,

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