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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
can you imagine it Trump had teenage girls do a song and dance routine at one of his rallies with lyrics like
quote: I had forgotten that too. Talk about officially sponsored creepy vs. individuals speaking up!
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Somehow I don't see the similarity between a performance at a rally that celebrates principles, something like cheerleaders, Replacing Jusus' name with Obama's was wrong. Bit it was not an officially sponsored act. The song about hate was officially spnosred. I see a difference.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Well I thought this was creepy
and I believe they were stiffed by the Trump campaign for their modest costs. Another ode to the deal-maker who seems more adept at being the deal-breaker.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: As often happens here, I tried to post a minimum of what I thought would be recognized as simple facts... Would that it were so that you've tried to provide facts. A couple days ago you stated your true position, that you weren't interested in facts and evidence ("demanding evidence belongs somewhere else", Message 56) and refused to provide support for your claims. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ah yes, well that is correct as far as it goes. Evidence to prove one poll better than another is way too much to ask, it's all subjective in the end anyway, trusting claims of what groups were polled and so on; and the problem is compounded in a political atmosphere where such information is designed to contribute to the destruction of a President.
But in the case of Pizzagate I know there are facts out there. There are copies of the Podesta emails somewhere that should show what I'm saying, and some of the information has already been posted by others here anyway. And my first post was only for the purpose of giving my impression of the situation until Hyroglyphx comes back. Unfortunately he may be a while getting back, though for the sake of this topic it would be good to know what he meant about having learned there may be some truth to the Pizzagate allegations. It's his claim, not mine. I opted to wait for him. It would be nice if conversations here could be a little more ... casual? ... in my opinion, so that one COULD just say Here's what I know right now, without having to produce evidence every time you make such a remark, and having to be accused of scurrilous motives over every innocent observation. The topic is young, surely the evidence will eventually be forthcoming. Meanwhile I'm sipping my coffee over another bingewatch of Downton Abbey. It's so much more pleasant than pedophilia allegations.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Or maybe you shouldn't make assertions and accusations with nothing to back them up.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If it aint one thing it's another, the another in this case being a professional performance, creeoy perhaps, who cares, but which of course is not an example of what we were talking about, the political indoctrination with religious overtones by a teacher of children captive in a classroom. And another Another is that of course we get to hear only the anti-Trump side of the story, the father's complaint. Of course. So what else is new?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, that was predictable.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The problem is that it seems il Donald cannot make a single speech without creating new Fake News. He is a veritable Fake News Generator. It is why it seems no one seems able to trust anything he says except for his Fellow Travelers. They seem to believe or dismiss even the most absurd statements he makes.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Utterly irrelevant to the topic isn't it? Just can't resist inventing a reason to say something negative about Trump? Speaking of evidence, what ARE you talking about?
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Utterly irrelevant to the topic isn't it? Not at all irrelevant Faith since the topic is Fake News.
Faith writes: Just can't resist inventing a reason to say something negative about Trump? Speaking of evidence, what ARE you talking about? Every single speech the man makes seems to contain fake and blatantly fake information like "Look what happened last night in Sweden" and "I won by the largest margin in history" and "More people attended my inauguration than Obama's" and "I will release my tax records" and "Mexico sends us their worst" and "Crime is at an all time high in the US" and "illegal immigrants are a major crime issue" and it just goes on and on Faith. The man seems totally out of touch with reality or honesty.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Faith writes: Ah yes, well that is correct as far as it goes. Evidence to prove one poll better than another is way too much to ask,... But that was your claim, that the Rasmussen poll was better than the Gallup poll. Again, you know this how? The alternative that was suggested to you is that there's a better way of looking at the polls. Caffeine and I explained several times that Gallup polled everyone while the Rasmussen polled those likely to vote, and that this could account for the difference. In other words both polls are valid, within their respective error margins.
But in the case of Pizzagate I know there are facts out there. No you don't. The Democratic campaign and Clinton were running a human trafficking and child prostitution ring out of pizza shops across the US? Really? You have serious problems recognizing the absurd.
It would be nice if conversations here could be a little more ... casual? ... That would be a lot easier if didn't keep popping our nonsense meters off the scale. Polls are a credible subject, Pizzagate is absurd. Do you have any fake news to discuss that isn't?
It's so much more pleasant than pedophilia allegations. I would be delighted if the subject were dropped. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
From the thread I'm forbidden to post on, concerning England's shameful attempt to bar Trump from visiting.
Trump supporters have to wake up and smell the, well, not roses. Trump stinks, and the whole world knows it. Leaders and citizens across the globe are dismayed and concerned about what has happened to the US government. Turn it around in your mind and think about it: if Obama or Clinton had done and said the things Trump has done and said you'd be criticizing him in just the way we are. Discard your partisanship and join those who merely want what is best for the country. Make it known that even though you still want conservative policies aggressively pursued that it should be done responsibly and competently and in ways that don't make us a world-wide embarrassment and the object of global ridicule. I'm not worried about being ridiculed by "world leaders" who are so indoctrinated in Political Correctness their nations are going to become Muslim within a few years with bloody consequences. If things are really that bad the whole world is going down and Trump's getting to meet with Queen Elizabeth or not is the least of our worries. I know it's hard for anti-Trumpers but WE are the ones who want the best for our country, because we are the only ones who KNOW what is best for the country. Apparently a few Brits have the same view of things, but if in the end they choose to commit national suicide I'd prefer we not go down with them. Trump is certainly guilty of vulgarity but speaking of Clinton, as Trump pointed out, he actually physically abused women; Trump did not. Sorry, NOBODY ELSE would be as aggressive as Trump about the things that matter to conservatives.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The facts I was referring to are the actual emails. Those ARE facts. I've said absolutely nothing about the allegations some have based on those facts because all I know is that the emails are very strange, suggest something very strange, but exactly what it suggests I don't know and haven't said. The reality may be quite ugly even if the hyped allegations are incorrect. I don't know, which is why I haven't said. All I know, which I DID say, is that those emails are very strange and do suggest something ugly.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The facts I was referring to are the actual emails. Those ARE facts. Yes, those are facts.
Faith writes: All I know, which I DID say, is that those emails are very strange and do suggest something ugly. And that is innuendo.
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