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A ray of sunshine :-)I don't doubt that there are conservatives who don't buy in to the far right's agenda - it's good to hear about them.

I just have to wonder why when you hear some "strange sounding emails" you latch onto them and are certain there is something devious behind them and that evidence of those suspiscions is, without a doubt, forthcoming.But when honest and open questions regarding something like Trump's involvement with Russia (not the supposed dossier of him with hookers in a hotel - that is surely fake news - but his business dealings and relationships with Russian diplomats) are brought up, you quickly dismiss them as fake news without even needing to hear the evidence for or against?I think we all have the tendency to believe those things that more or less fit into our own personal narrative of the world, but you seem to take it to a whole different level. I suppose it is your tendency to see a conspiracy under every rock, but if that is the case, why not see the potential for Trump to have his own conspiracies?HBD

Spelling and idiosyncratic grammar were copied verbatim from the original.I particularly liked that Trump is described as leader of 'a free world'. Just one of many in the multipolar age in which we live.

The email doesn't say the children will be there for their entertainment. It says their presence will provide further entertainment {verbatim: have some further entertainment}. Children do have that effect at get-togethers. Or the kids are entertainers. But they aren't being 'offered as entertainment' this is, as you say 'word magic'.Why email people's work emails with an invitation to at the very least, perve at kids? Why cc in a Washington Post journalist with a Pullitzer prize who writes an opinion piece? Why include an NPR journalist? Why send it from an official email address? Why provide personally identifiable information of the children? It seems a little more than complacency - sounds like the dumbest thing in the universe. Not the kind of thing I'd expect to see from an elite sex ring, let alone a child sex ring.It's weirder to me to think this is salacious. I'm not going to any particular lengths. Why are you asking innuendo laden questions like this? I don't care for any of the people in the email, I just think it's absurd to read child sex ring into these kinds of emails. Saying this hardly constitutes going to any lengths. No, some people do find the emails strange. The fake news is the emails are strong indicators of a child sex ring, the central hub of which revolves around Comet Pizza who facilitates the rape of kids in their non-existent basement. No, it is a fact that people are 'denying it' or rather, saying it's silly to read 'child sex ring' into the emails. That's actual news. Whether they are right or not does not make their existence or their opinions 'fake news'. Yes, emailing journalists to their work email address - an address that their colleagues, who work for a left wing newspaper and would love to spill the beans on a power-based child sex ring, could easily access - is beyond the pale for stupidity. I think its odder that you read 'child sex ring' into these things.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

One factor that seems to be ignored in the whole pizza gate nonsense.The discussions were during a campaign period and involved getting, motivating and feeding volunteers.I ran a few of them and some (Nixon's first and second campaigns) involved both kids and parents. Parents were needed for transportation, kids worked malls and parking lots and handed out leaflets in the cold and rain, parents and older kids worked phone banks and one common feature through all phases was FOOD, specifically Pizza. A second common feature was the kids had to be overseen and entertained while parents worked phone banks or drove kids out to pamphlet or campaign sites and as rewards usually in evenings particularly for the kids.I wish we had had a heated swimming pool back then but unfortunately none of the parents fessed up to having one but we did use many a basement and ping pong table.And the kids were entertaining.

You mean being a huckster carney salesman? Leaders should not avoid communicating with other leaders because of their opinions.

Hey Faith, I thought you might like an update

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Breitbart employees threaten exit over Yiannopoulos

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Employees at Breitbart News are reportedly prepared to leave the company if controversial senior editor Milo Yiannopoulos is not fired.

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Another senior editor at the publication told Washingtonian Monday that "at least a half dozen" employees are prepared to leave to organization because of remarks Yiannopoulos made about pedophilia that gained attention this weekend.

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The fact of the matter is that there’s been so many things that have been objectionable about Milo over the last couple of years, quite frankly. This is something far more sinister, the senior editor said.

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If the company isn’t willing to act, there are at least half a dozen people who are willing to walk out over it.

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Milo Yiannopoulos’s Pedophilia Comments Cost Him CPAC Role and Book Deal

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Milo Yiannopoulos, the provocateur and Breitbart News editor, was under pressure on several fronts Monday after the publication of a video in which he condones sexual relations with boys as young as 13 and laughs off the seriousness of pedophilia by Roman Catholic priests.

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The organizers of the Conservative Political Action Conference rescinded their invitation for him to speak later this week. Simon & Schuster said it was canceling publication of his forthcoming book, Dangerous. And there were calls online for Breitbart to sever ties with him.

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Looks like Berkeley is not alone in thinking this is not a person to be given a podium ...So much for that "liberal hypocrisy" argument ...EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : .

Yiannopolous has shown enough sleaze to be discredited, I agree with that. But it was his conservative opinions the "protests" were about.

And rightly so. The man is simply not fit for polite company.

I didn't follow the pizzagate discussions enough to decide on the credibility of the more extreme allegations but from the beginning the emails sounded fishy, as they obviously did to the others who went on to those allegations. I didn't just "latch on" to any of it, it just sounded and sounds odd to me -- on first encounter already. I really don't think there is any way to dismiss them as normal communications. But again, I haven't pursued any of the pedophile riing allegations because no matter how weird the emails are that's too far out for what little I know about it all. "Hot dogs waiting in a Jacuzzi" or something like that is another part of them. Odd don't you think? Walnut sauce on a hot dog? Or pizza? There's a lot of odd stuff, but I haven't wanted to get into it until Hyro says his piece so I'll know what he thinks about it. He also said he dismissed some of the more wacko allegations. Meanwhile anyone who is at all familiar with the content of the emails can't possibly honestly think they are just normal communications about children and food. Let's say I'm only too familiar by now with the Left's unceasing efforts to discredit him by one means or another, familiar with lying headlines and lying emphases in reports, and the eagerness with which these allegations have been taken up. And open threats to kill him? Good grief. It did start with that lying "dossier" and seems to be a favorite lode of accusations for the Left. I also haven't spent a lot of time on the subject but as with pizzagate if I see something convincing enough to think more about I will. Meanwhile all the conservative sources are calling it bunk, he and his team have denied it and I think there is every reason to assume, until further notice, that it's just another of the thousands of plots against him. "Honest and open questions?" Not from where I sit. Anything coming from the "MSM" or the Left is suspicious at this point. The weight of the evidence available, the tone of the media, the skewing of reports. Hearing a lot of conservative discussions which I suppose most here aren't following. I don't bite down hard on most of it but I can see for myself what the Left is doing. If he's involved in a conspiracy that contradicts his stated platform I'll never follow another political discussion again ever. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Fair enough... I am not ready to accuse him of any particular 'conspiracy' or wrong doing, but I will predict that you are going to be disappointed that you supported and defended him. Or at least it will come to the point that you should be disappointed. The problem is with all this rhetoric about "fake news" it will be easy for him to do whatever he wants and simply accuse the media of reporting "fake news." With the media completely discredited among his base, he will have complete impunity. That should be cause for concern for all of us... even those that support his general platform. I just hope and pray it doesn't go too far...HBD

Note: same message also posted at the "The Disgusting Berkeley Riots" topic.-----The index page for the entire hour:
See You In Court | On the Media | WNYC StudiosThe ending 10 minute segment:
How To Counter Milo's Trolling Playbook | On the Media | WNYCThere is an audio link, a text summary, and a complete text transcript available via the second above link.The summary:

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Ryan Holiday literally wrote the book on how to generate attention by stoking controversy -- it's called Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator. And now, Holiday says he recognizes those tactics being used by Milo Yiannopoulos, the alt-right icon and blogger who has been courting protest and outrage on a college tour (and with a book deal).

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Most recently, Yiannopoulos's speaking engagement at the University of California Berkeley led to massive protests, and his speech was cancelled. Holiday says the protests and outrage are exactly what Yiannopoulos wants, and he talks with Bob about how to effectively respond to speech intended to provoke.

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Holiday's column for The Observer this week is called "I Helped Create the Milo Trolling Playbook. You Should Stop Playing Right Into It".

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The main points I remember from listening a couple of weeks ago:The best thing for the protesters to do, would have been to totally ignore him.News coverage will focus in on the bad. They cite two examples:1) A large peaceful gathering (such as the incident in question) where one or a few do destruction.2) A large Tea Party gathering where one or a few are carrying racist or otherwise stupid signs.Ryan Holiday also comments on where, in the past, he personally did an act of vandalism to make a peaceful crowd look bad. I think it is a real possibility that the destructive acts in question might have been done by Milo supporters.Feel free to listen yourself, or read the transcript(s) of one or more segment of the hour.MooseEdited by Minnemooseus, : Added "Note in red" at message top. Deleted irrelevant "ps". Shut of signature.

He doesn't even have "complete impunity" among his base, HBD. And we don't need him to tell us the media are fake news, we already know it and have known it for years and see for ourselves how it has increased with his election. We're just glad to see him take it on. The fake news accusations started with the Left, against the "alt right" news sources, there have been threats to deprive those outlets of their public voice, and in fact there have been actions already taken in that direction, such as manipulating the Twitter responses to eliminate conservative opinion. Trump is COUNTERING all that, he's pointing out that the fake news is coming from the Left.Good grief man, there's a LOT of media left that aren't the Leftist MSM. They've discredited themselves.And you make ME ask you in turn, why are YOU so ready to find the fault with Trump?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Not explicitly, no. Your sarcastic dismissal of nonsense was directed at me and implied that I did think they were evidence. You fired the first shot mate. I just responded in kind. If you can resist the temptation to direct sarcasm and snark in my direction, you'll find I will too.Since you have clearly concluded that the allegations are nonsense, I am compelled to ask how you came to that conclusion? I agree. I take it you have looked into the deeper reasons why some people are giving it serious consideration? How long did you spend? 5,10,30 minutes? Longer? Or did you just google something like 'pizzagate debunked' and engage in a little confirmation bias? It makes you feel superior, does it? Or is it just about trying to humiliate the person into accepting your opinions on the matter? People aren't looking at a couple of emails in a vacuum and concluding that something sinister is going on, there's more to it than that. You would know that if you had bothered to look into it for yourself. I'm not inclined to infiltrate a pedo group to verify whether or not it is a well known code or not. The code provides plausible deniability, if it is a code, it's working very well, no?

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"Only the small secrets need to be protected.
The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity."
Marshall McLuhan

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No, it isn't. I've searched the emails and found nothing like that. Infowars seemed to have run all the hot dog quotes and nothing to do with that on their site either. There were some 'Hot dog fridays', which is kind of banal. It was on pasta. Which is also known by names such as Tagliatelle al pesto di noci. It's an Italian dish. Some people were bemused by the notion in the emails, others asked for the recipe after trying it. Not nefarious. He could have protected himself against the worst of it by properly putting his business in the hands of a blind trust. Not in a trust of people that have their eyes open and their interests aligned. He could have released his tax returns, as even Hilary Clinton did. Unfortunately, if you aren't transparent when you have power and wealth - people are going to wonder why. And they'll dig to find those reasons. Sometimes their hits will prove to be misses, but there's a reason previous Presidents have acted in certain ways and that's to avoid this kind of criticism. Trump thinks he can weather this storm - he, and his supporters, can hardly complain if the seas are a bit choppy.Using Trump's own reasoning, there's something fishy afoot:

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Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like.

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Why doesn't he release his tax returns? There's something on those tax returns he doesn't like.

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He doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, there's something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'religion,' it might have 'Muslim.'

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He doesn't have honest taxes, or if he does, there's something in those returns that is very bad for him. Now somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'interests', it might have '$400 million dollars in Russian energy reserves'

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He didn't know he was running for president, so he told the truth. The literary agent wrote down what he said ... He said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia

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He didn't know he was running for president, so he told the truth. The entertainment company recorded what he said.... He said 'I did try and fuck her, she was married...When you’re a star they let you do it...Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything...'